Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time great heavyweights?

[El Kabong]

If the word is to mean something, Wlad, like all but arguably the top five or so (purely) Heavyweights is not a great.

As for his placing in the grand scheme of things, I would say he is top 30, slightly behind big brother, who was more consistent.

Why? I mean given the length of reign as champion, the amount of title fights, the successful defenses in a row, the sheer dominance he has shown...why only "top 30"? And why behind Vitali?

[ross]

He hasnt ever even been the undisputed best in his own era so very, very low.

Go back through all the greats over the years, there was never another fighter around that could also letitimately call himself a world champion.

There are fighters he couldnt beat that his brother had to fight.

[El Kabong]

There are fighters he couldnt beat that his brother had to fight.

Such as?

[ross]

There are fighters he couldnt beat that his brother had to fight.

Such as?

Sanders

[El Kabong]

There are fighters he couldnt beat that his brother had to fight.

Such as?

Sanders

Oh and not like Chris Byrd?


Your turn jackass

[ross]

How does that prove me wrong dunce?

All youve done is point out how crap they both are

He is not a top all time great he isnt even the best now for fuck sakes!

Where ever you put Wlad, Vitali would have to be one higher. Vitali losing Lewis is better than anything Wlad has done.

[Master]

Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.

[ross]

Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.

Any threat and he fights scared.

Against Vitali he'd have tried holding and leaning but against someone his own size who isn't just a punch bag he would wilt.

If Fury fights Wlad next year and wins, does this wipe out any notion of Wlad ever being a top heavy in history?

[Master]

Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.

Any threat and he fights scared.

Against Vitali he'd have tried holding and leaning but against someone his own size who isn't just a punch bag he would wilt.

If Fury fights Wlad next year and wins, does this wipe out any notion of Wlad ever being a top heavy in history?

Wlad was very disappointing against Povetkin but his consistency against the crap that is out there has to be admired. Joe Louis and Holmes had it but it is very difficult to stay motivated and be consistent. This is why I have Wlad that high.

[Dark Lord Al]

Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.

Any threat and he fights scared.

Against Vitali he'd have tried holding and leaning but against someone his own size who isn't just a punch bag he would wilt.

If Fury fights Wlad next year and wins, does this wipe out any notion of Wlad ever being a top heavy in history?

Lyles logic is all ifs and buts ? however yours isn't ?

[Rantcatrat]

Are we talking about Head to Head or accomplishments?

[El Kabong]

Are we talking about Head to Head or accomplishments?

Either way he's up there. Can't argue with how good he is. If he was as shit as people like erics44 say he is then he would have been beaten a long time ago and never returned to prominence

[nuggetdotcom]

Not very high, Corrie Sanders springs to mind.

[El Kabong]

Not very high, Corrie Sanders springs to mind.

So does McCall or Rahman come to mind when thinking of Lewis? Or Frazier and Norton when you think of Ali?

[BIG H]

Not very high, Corrie Sanders springs to mind.

So does McCall or Rahman come to mind when thinking of Lewis? Or Frazier and Norton when you think of Ali?

Lewis got KOed by 1 punch, twice. Wlad got beat down and his ass handed to him 3 times.