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    Default Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

    Quote Originally Posted by jehoshaphat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Make a rule and not an offer. Real simple. Its not rocket science.
    Or if Rodriguez's team only brings up additional PED testing AFTER the fight is signed then they should have to pay for the cost. They had 2 negotiations to bring up additional PED testing. They did not. Why would Rodriguez wait to get in front of the media to bring up PED testing? It seems to be an attempted smear campaign...and by the looks of it many are buying it.
    Rodriguez is trying to smear Ward, and shame on him for it. HOWEVER, there is a really easy way to quiet any bad talk: take the test.
    Last edited by Rantcatrat; 10-18-2013 at 06:54 PM.

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    Default Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jehoshaphat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Make a rule and not an offer. Real simple. Its not rocket science.
    Or if Rodriguez's team only brings up additional PED testing AFTER the fight is signed then they should have to pay for the cost. They had 2 negotiations to bring up additional PED testing. They did not. Why would Rodriguez wait to get in front of the media to bring up PED testing? It seems to be an attempted smear campaign...and by the looks of it many are buying it.
    Rodriguez is trying to smear Ward, and shame on them for it. HOWEVER, there is a really easy way to quiet any bad talk: take the test.
    Rodriguez is now working with Victor Conte and Conte used to work with Ward.

    Conte advised Edwin to do the random testing and im presuming he also advised Edwin to call Ward up on it

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    Default Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

    At this point in time, with so many boxers being busted for PEDs, I'm cynical as it is that even with progressive testing protocol, cheaters won't be caught, but when a boxer refuses tests now, it has to be a red flag. I don't see any two ways about it anymore. At one point, I didn't fully understand the scope of the epidemic, but now, unless you're tested with VADA, or at least WADA etc., it's hard not to think you're not on something.

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    Default Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

    Seems to me that a lot of people are giving Ward a pass for not testing when another boxer did the same thing and was called a cheat.

    Ah, love the hypocrisy.

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    Default Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

    Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
    Seems to me that a lot of people are giving Ward a pass for not testing when another boxer did the same thing and was called a cheat.

    Ah, love the hypocrisy.
    Hypocrisy is the air they breath.

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    Default Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jehoshaphat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Make a rule and not an offer. Real simple. Its not rocket science.
    Or if Rodriguez's team only brings up additional PED testing AFTER the fight is signed then they should have to pay for the cost. They had 2 negotiations to bring up additional PED testing. They did not. Why would Rodriguez wait to get in front of the media to bring up PED testing? It seems to be an attempted smear campaign...and by the looks of it many are buying it.
    Rodriguez is trying to smear Ward, and shame on them for it. HOWEVER, there is a really easy way to quiet any bad talk: take the test.
    And I agree that will clear the smear but its not as easy as just saying "take the tests." Rodriguez can't just wait to call out Ward in the press conference, pick the agency, and make Ward pay for the additional testing. They have negotiations for a reason. Who pays for it? Which agency or agencies do they agree on? What are the stipulations of the test as to when it starts and how close to the fight can you be blood tested? In this particular fight and situation Ward is not wrong if there is no agreement on testing. They had 2 negotiations that are now over, additional PED testing wasn't even brought up by team Rodriquez, and they have less than a month until the fight.

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    Default Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

    Quote Originally Posted by jehoshaphat View Post
    clear the smear "
    Is that anything like what Salido did, smear the queer?

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    Default Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

    Quote Originally Posted by jehoshaphat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jehoshaphat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Make a rule and not an offer. Real simple. Its not rocket science.
    Or if Rodriguez's team only brings up additional PED testing AFTER the fight is signed then they should have to pay for the cost. They had 2 negotiations to bring up additional PED testing. They did not. Why would Rodriguez wait to get in front of the media to bring up PED testing? It seems to be an attempted smear campaign...and by the looks of it many are buying it.
    Rodriguez is trying to smear Ward, and shame on them for it. HOWEVER, there is a really easy way to quiet any bad talk: take the test.
    And I agree that will clear the smear but its not as easy as just saying "take the tests." Rodriguez can't just wait to call out Ward in the press conference, pick the agency, and make Ward pay for the additional testing. They have negotiations for a reason. Who pays for it? Which agency or agencies do they agree on? What are the stipulations of the test as to when it starts and how close to the fight can you be blood tested? In this particular fight and situation Ward is not wrong if there is no agreement on testing. They had 2 negotiations that are now over, additional PED testing wasn't even brought up by team Rodriquez, and they have less than a month until the fight.
    Ward should take the test on his own volition.

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    I should know better by now but judgin ward on his fight style and behavior outside the ring I think he's clean and if this shit had been included in the contract he would honor it.

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    Default Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

    I think it's absurd to expect any fighter to submit to testing that they aren't required to, or hold them as being more suspect for not doing so. Who on earth wants to be comprehensively drug tested under any circumstance? If it's optional, people are not going to do it and nor should they, the only way to resolve this is have it standardized and that's a long way from happening.

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    Default Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

    it may be absurd to expect someone to test themselves beyond the limit of the rules as the currently stand... but Ward said he would do the testing and since saying that, hasn't. there's the problem...and its only amplified when you take into consideration his relationship with Victor Conte who is an admitted steroid supplier/nutritionist.

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    Default Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

    Peope keep mentioning his connection to Conte without noting the elephant in the room. Conte made designer steroids that couldn't be caught until someone sent a sample to the testing agencies to study. So he very well could have made another steroid that can't be detected. So given his association with Conte testing means fuck all to prove innocence. Testing can only prove guilt.

    As for Donaire, sure he tests year round but he had the same Conte association sohe can never be innocent in my eyes. Testing or not. He might and probably is innocent but again testing means fuck all.

    And FTR many people test year round now. Bradley does, all of Mayweather Promotions does ever since Love got popped for a diarrhetic.

    Should Ward test, yes. But all of boxing should test. But it has to be independent because it is not in the organizations best interests to catch fighters. That's why they test after fights, they want the fights to happen. You aren't protecting anyone catching cheats after the fact.

    I hope Ward makes a show of this, refusing testing and letting everyone know he's about to make a point. Then after the weigh in he tells the media he's juiced to the gills and going to kill his opponent. At that moment you create a huge story that could force real change. Then he tests clean after the fight and says I was just making a point. The BS of the system would be caught and it would be front page news.

    Imagine the commissioners explaining that there was nothing they could do under the rules until after the fight. All hell would break loose on such a preposterous failed and faulty system that is clearly designed to fail. The squirming of the commissioners in front of Congress would be glorious.

    Or maybe I'm drunk and need to go to bed.

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    Default Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

    Quote Originally Posted by ruthless rocco View Post
    it may be absurd to expect someone to test themselves beyond the limit of the rules as the currently stand... but Ward said he would do the testing and since saying that, hasn't. there's the problem...and its only amplified when you take into consideration his relationship with Victor Conte who is an admitted steroid supplier/nutritionist.
    I'm sure he still would do the testing if it were ever a matter of making a fight happen or any sort of career advancement, this seems to be a case where it was never expected though. I don't know how shady working with Conte is at all either, I'm sure the guy has all sorts of perfectly legal tricks and he's clearly an expert in his field.

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    Default Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

    Conte is a master sports nutritionist who was making a killing well before he got into the steroid dealing business. And he's been caught and done jail time for providing steroids to athletes... why would he risk going back to the slammer?

    In the end, I think this discussion proves one thing, and that is that the AC's are completely useless and they need to revamp their testing. It's not the athletes responsibility to pay out of pocket to prove their clean. This is a task for the athletic commission.

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    Default Re: Andre Ward has refused to participate in the VADA testing

    Quote Originally Posted by ruthless rocco View Post
    it may be absurd to expect someone to test themselves beyond the limit of the rules as the currently stand... but Ward said he would do the testing and since saying that, hasn't. there's the problem...and its only amplified when you take into consideration his relationship with Victor Conte who is an admitted steroid supplier/nutritionist.
    Ward never said he would do the testing. It wasn't even brought up in negotiations. Even in the press conference Ward never agreed to Rodriguez's blast for VADA testing. You're basing your entire scheme off a later side interview when Ward was asked about Rodriguez's out of nowhere comments about PED testing and Ward basically said it was absurd and a set up question and that he has been subjected to PED testing many times before and its not a problem. And if Ward's former relationship with Conte amplifies suspicious for you then what does Rodriguez's current relationship with Conte do for you? Not to mention Conte's relationship as an adviser/consultant for VADA. Look Rocco I get it I really do, in this day in age no one is innocent but no one should be attacked or singled out without definitive proof.

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