Is there any heavyweight fight that could sell out an arena in the U.S?

[Master]

Mike Tyson v Holyfield 3 would get more fans than Wilder v Arreleo

[El Kabong]

ross, you're right the age of great trainers from the United States being a dime a dozen is over. Steward has died, Freddy Roach won't be around forever, who fills the shoes of those men?

But also who is there for the trainers here to train? Football players who couldn't hack it, ex-cons, guys getting late starts. The issue begins at the amateur level our boys aren't getting taught properly and we're suffering. US boxing is doing the exact opposite of US soccer. US soccer had an identity crisis, it met it head on, the players we got were tough and gritty, and would gut out wins and now we're starting to get more polished in our talent. With US boxing we have gone from THE finished product to being guys who only have heart to offer if that.

[ross]

ross, you're right the age of great trainers from the United States being a dime a dozen is over. Steward has died, Freddy Roach won't be around forever, who fills the shoes of those men?

But also who is there for the trainers here to train? Football players who couldn't hack it, ex-cons, guys getting late starts. The issue begins at the amateur level our boys aren't getting taught properly and we're suffering. US boxing is doing the exact opposite of US soccer. US soccer had an identity crisis, it met it head on, the players we got were tough and gritty, and would gut out wins and now we're starting to get more polished in our talent. With US boxing we have gone from THE finished product to being guys who only have heart to offer if that.

Draft in some south american coaches.

Even mexican journeymen have some sublime skills and defence and can put more than one or two punches together, mixing uppercuts and hooks, hooks to the body and how to defend them. Whos teaching them this?

[El Kabong]

Draft in some south american coaches.

Even mexican journeymen have some sublime skills and defence and can put more than one or two punches together, mixing uppercuts and hooks, hooks to the body and how to defend them. Whos teaching them this?

Pedro Diaz is solid...hell Ronnie Shields used to be a very good highly respected trainer, but he's got nobody to work with.

We probably need a thread of "The Best American boxing Trainers around today"

[Spicoli]

No, don't see it. We want the short time investment and big time payoff now. I don't think it's lack of potential guys, not entirely, so much as the impatience of major promoters and fans in general. The cable networks are not as consistent and the huge promoters are spending time with stunts like microwave title bids for other international prospects. Potential heavyweight stars are either treated like finally groomed tea cup poodles, risk adverse and the last Olympic medalist America produced is basically still an untested 4 round fighter...others are ignored and competing with the rise of network poster boys in lower weight classes. When they do make noise it's not Americans they will most likely face and certainly not for a strap at least for the time being.

[El Kabong]

Promoters...there's another interesting thing to consider Don King used to run the heavyweight division up until recently. Golden Boy and Bob Arum haven't really defeated him, but the Europeans have.

Universum
K2
Sauerland
Frank Warren
Hayemaker

Those guys have the heavyweights and what do they know or care about winning over the American fans?

[Spicoli]

Speaking of King you know what might do well, a return of those Cedric Kushner like "Heavyweight Explosion" cards. They were never massive..but frequent with alot of the guys riding huge exposure then. No, they have the ball in there court and THE champions and you would only hope U.S heavys are using the time to build and knock down the doors for exposure. Scott gets a push then gets shipped out to lose, Jennings is active and impressive but might as well be on a milk carton, Seth Mi...anyway, Arreola got the top but it fell on him, Wilder...I just get the feeling they are 'done' building him and are really just waiting for the brothers to retire or vacate, Andy Ruiz can fight a bit but gets laughed at. I mean ffs we still have Antonio Tarver though and he'll be featured on the next GBP card with Luis Ortiz and may be lined up to be HIS next foil.

[ykdadamaja]

Mike Tyson v Holyfield 3 would get more fans than Wilder v Arreleo

truly.