Ray leonards book - abuse.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

not read it but from what you're saying this is someone he knew for some years growing up as a teenager. The person in question would have been an authority figure, someone he would have trusted. I don't think you people realise how abuse and grooming works

[Violent Demise]

not read it but from what you're saying this is someone he knew for some years growing up as a teenager. The person in question would have been an authority figure, someone he would have trusted. I don't think you people realise how abuse and grooming works

Don't justify Leonard's fag behavior

[walrus]

I feel terrible for anyone that was sexually abused but in this case I think Ray was curious and now regrets his bi-curious ways.

[Violent Demise]

I feel terrible for anyone that was sexually abused but in this case I think Ray was curious and now regrets his bi-curious ways.

That was no abuse. If anything it sounds like non payment of services provided

[Gandalf]

An adult man allowed himself to be abused like that? An adult man who could clearly protect himself and did nothing to resist? I find that a little bit questionable. Would you punch him or just let him have his wicked way? Most would argue the former.

[FinitoElDinamita]

I think it's bullshit. He either made up this story or exaggerated some event to sell the book...

[SugarBoxing]

I think it's bullshit. He either made up this story or exaggerated some event to sell the book...

one thing for sure - he does want some attention

[p4pking]

not read it but from what you're saying this is someone he knew for some years growing up as a teenager. The person in question would have been an authority figure, someone he would have trusted. I don't think you people realise how abuse and grooming works

Show me sometime if you like Yours is the figure I'd respect most out of all our mods, and I'm well groomed.

[walrus]

not read it but from what you're saying this is someone he knew for some years growing up as a teenager. The person in question would have been an authority figure, someone he would have trusted. I don't think you people realise how abuse and grooming works

Show me sometime if you like Yours is the figure I'd respect most out of all our mods, and I'm well groomed.

I don't know, I hear Andre is pretty hot as well.

[Master]

Leonard is the victim in this and should not be blamed for the indecent assault. The abuser used his position of trust and he should be the one targeted. It is easy to say what you would do now but in that situation you may not know what to do or react.

[DavilaJones]

I get the jokes and crass humor but people always claim what they would do in a situation and truth be told no one can honestly say how they would react if their coach, somewho who they trust and someone who's been with them for such a long time, would suddenly do this.

Who would have believed him if he suddenly went out and said it? He would have been ostracized, people would have called him a queer who's jealous that the coach didn't reciprocate his feelings. After all the coach was a well respected trainer and he was just a young 20 something year old kid.

[walrus]

I get the jokes and crass humor but people always claim what they would do in a situation and truth be told no one can honestly say how they would react if their coach, somewho who they trust and someone who's been with them for such a long time, would suddenly do this.

Who would have believed him if he suddenly went out and said it? He would have been ostracized, people would have called him a queer who's jealous that the coach didn't reciprocate his feelings. After all the coach was a well respected trainer and he was just a young 20 something year old kid.

I can't say I would have kicked his ass but I wouldn't let my cock remain in his mouth. I probably would have said no thank you and not call or send flowers

[Gandalf]

I don't think anybody would deny that it is abuse, but most would resist in some way and certainly as a 22 year old man. 22 isn't 12, you are a man of the world at that age and a boxer too. If someone went near my flies, then they would have an immediate knee in the face. Now wouldn't that be the reaction of most? Would you just sit there, get a hard on, and allow someone to suck you off? It sounds weird because it is weird.

[beenKOed]

Leonard is the victim in this and should not be blamed for the indecent assault. The abuser used his position of trust and he should be the one targeted. It is easy to say what you would do now but in that situation you may not know what to do or react.

Normally I'd agree with you, but a 22 year old should have things figured out.
The thing is, I really don't care one way or the other, everyone is welcome to be as gay as they want, it's just curious the way he tells it.

[imp]

Leonard is the victim in this and should not be blamed for the indecent assault. The abuser used his position of trust and he should be the one targeted. It is easy to say what you would do now but in that situation you may not know what to do or react.

Normally I'd agree with you, but a 22 year old should have things figured out.
The thing is, I really don't care one way or the other, everyone is welcome to be as gay as they want, it's just curious the way he tells it.

Exactly.

Leonard wasnt under 16.
He was a man. He might still be fighting his true feelings to this day.