Froch - Groves to meet on Sky Ringside special

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People forget Groves is prone to cuts and he has been put down and hurt a number of times. We are not talking about someone who has the skills of Andre Ward or the chin of Kessler.

Youv got a good point.

I can see Groves giving Froch problems but on past performances against the likes of Anderson and Smith how does Groves stop Froch?

The only way I can see is to do what he did against DeGale. Fight like hes in against Mike Tyson and back peddle and skirt tye ring, much like Haye did against Valuev.

As long as Froch forces the action and starts quick again I have a hard time seeing Groves win. I could still see Groves giving Carl problems until the 7th or so and then downhill from there.

smith? it was a nice punch but he wasnt trouble by it, groves win over smith was impressive

i still back groves, first time ive backed against froch

He was troubled by it, the only reason he didnt get in any more trouble is because its Smith! A fighter who should be a middleweight and who struggles with british level fighters.

Had that been Froch it would have been similar to the Bute ending!

If and when Groves gets hurt Carl can keep pouring it on and its doubtfull Groves has the wherewithal to hurt or stop the oncoming rampage from one of the fittest and toughest fighters in the world.

Groves was even in a little bit of trouble at the end of the first round against Johnson, who he had been throwing everything at!

i dont agree, i dont think he was, he stepped back, but there was no sign he was shaken

groves win over johnson was much more impressive than froches, i accept that johnson had a lot more ambition against froch

I should hope so.

Froch fought him coming off stopping Green and Mack and getting robbed against Cloud and pushing Dawson.

Groves fougt him after Forch beat him, then Bute beat him then some fringe contender. He was on a run of 3 straight losses and looked absolutely useless against Bute.

so whats your point?

How can a win over someone on a run of 3 consecutive losses be considered more impressive than a win over him when he was coming off one of his best recent performances and run of performances.

My obvious point being, in no way at all was Groves win over Johnson any more impressive than Frochs.

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People forget Groves is prone to cuts and he has been put down and hurt a number of times. We are not talking about someone who has the skills of Andre Ward or the chin of Kessler.

Youv got a good point.

I can see Groves giving Froch problems but on past performances against the likes of Anderson and Smith how does Groves stop Froch?

The only way I can see is to do what he did against DeGale. Fight like hes in against Mike Tyson and back peddle and skirt tye ring, much like Haye did against Valuev.

As long as Froch forces the action and starts quick again I have a hard time seeing Groves win. I could still see Groves giving Carl problems until the 7th or so and then downhill from there.

smith? it was a nice punch but he wasnt trouble by it, groves win over smith was impressive

i still back groves, first time ive backed against froch

He was troubled by it, the only reason he didnt get in any more trouble is because its Smith! A fighter who should be a middleweight and who struggles with british level fighters.

Had that been Froch it would have been similar to the Bute ending!

If and when Groves gets hurt Carl can keep pouring it on and its doubtfull Groves has the wherewithal to hurt or stop the oncoming rampage from one of the fittest and toughest fighters in the world.

Groves was even in a little bit of trouble at the end of the first round against Johnson, who he had been throwing everything at!

i dont agree, i dont think he was, he stepped back, but there was no sign he was shaken

groves win over johnson was much more impressive than froches, i accept that johnson had a lot more ambition against froch

I should hope so.

Froch fought him coming off stopping Green and Mack and getting robbed against Cloud and pushing Dawson.

Groves fougt him after Forch beat him, then Bute beat him then some fringe contender. He was on a run of 3 straight losses and looked absolutely useless against Bute.

so whats your point?

How can a win over someone on a run of 3 consecutive losses be considered more impressive than a win over him when he was coming off one of his best recent performances and run of performances.

My obvious point being, in no way at all was Groves win over Johnson any more impressive than Frochs.

course it was, he battered him every round

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People forget Groves is prone to cuts and he has been put down and hurt a number of times. We are not talking about someone who has the skills of Andre Ward or the chin of Kessler.

Youv got a good point.

I can see Groves giving Froch problems but on past performances against the likes of Anderson and Smith how does Groves stop Froch?

The only way I can see is to do what he did against DeGale. Fight like hes in against Mike Tyson and back peddle and skirt tye ring, much like Haye did against Valuev.

As long as Froch forces the action and starts quick again I have a hard time seeing Groves win. I could still see Groves giving Carl problems until the 7th or so and then downhill from there.

smith? it was a nice punch but he wasnt trouble by it, groves win over smith was impressive

i still back groves, first time ive backed against froch

He was troubled by it, the only reason he didnt get in any more trouble is because its Smith! A fighter who should be a middleweight and who struggles with british level fighters.

Had that been Froch it would have been similar to the Bute ending!

If and when Groves gets hurt Carl can keep pouring it on and its doubtfull Groves has the wherewithal to hurt or stop the oncoming rampage from one of the fittest and toughest fighters in the world.

Groves was even in a little bit of trouble at the end of the first round against Johnson, who he had been throwing everything at!

i dont agree, i dont think he was, he stepped back, but there was no sign he was shaken

groves win over johnson was much more impressive than froches, i accept that johnson had a lot more ambition against froch

I should hope so.

Froch fought him coming off stopping Green and Mack and getting robbed against Cloud and pushing Dawson.

Groves fougt him after Forch beat him, then Bute beat him then some fringe contender. He was on a run of 3 straight losses and looked absolutely useless against Bute.

so whats your point?

How can a win over someone on a run of 3 consecutive losses be considered more impressive than a win over him when he was coming off one of his best recent performances and run of performances.

My obvious point being, in no way at all was Groves win over Johnson any more impressive than Frochs.

course it was, he battered him every round

Who did he batter every round?

Someone who had officially anounced his retirement after 3 consecutive losses and his last before being tempted out of retirement being a loss to a journeyman Wow! Very impressive, in fact so much so he's now the overwhelming favourite against Froch.....

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People forget Groves is prone to cuts and he has been put down and hurt a number of times. We are not talking about someone who has the skills of Andre Ward or the chin of Kessler.

Youv got a good point.

I can see Groves giving Froch problems but on past performances against the likes of Anderson and Smith how does Groves stop Froch?

The only way I can see is to do what he did against DeGale. Fight like hes in against Mike Tyson and back peddle and skirt tye ring, much like Haye did against Valuev.

As long as Froch forces the action and starts quick again I have a hard time seeing Groves win. I could still see Groves giving Carl problems until the 7th or so and then downhill from there.

smith? it was a nice punch but he wasnt trouble by it, groves win over smith was impressive

i still back groves, first time ive backed against froch

He was troubled by it, the only reason he didnt get in any more trouble is because its Smith! A fighter who should be a middleweight and who struggles with british level fighters.

Had that been Froch it would have been similar to the Bute ending!

If and when Groves gets hurt Carl can keep pouring it on and its doubtfull Groves has the wherewithal to hurt or stop the oncoming rampage from one of the fittest and toughest fighters in the world.

Groves was even in a little bit of trouble at the end of the first round against Johnson, who he had been throwing everything at!

i dont agree, i dont think he was, he stepped back, but there was no sign he was shaken

groves win over johnson was much more impressive than froches, i accept that johnson had a lot more ambition against froch

I should hope so.

Froch fought him coming off stopping Green and Mack and getting robbed against Cloud and pushing Dawson.

Groves fougt him after Forch beat him, then Bute beat him then some fringe contender. He was on a run of 3 straight losses and looked absolutely useless against Bute.

so whats your point?

How can a win over someone on a run of 3 consecutive losses be considered more impressive than a win over him when he was coming off one of his best recent performances and run of performances.

My obvious point being, in no way at all was Groves win over Johnson any more impressive than Frochs.

course it was, he battered him every round

Who did he batter every round?

Someone who had officially anounced his retirement after 3 consecutive losses and his last before being tempted out of retirement being a loss to a journeyman Wow! Very impressive, in fact so much so he's now the overwhelming favourite against Froch.....

no one said he was the favourite coz of the Johnson win

in fact no one has said he is the favourite