When Will Andre Ward Move Up to 175?

[TheMacMagician]

Good question. Maybe he should stay just a bit longer. A rematch with Froch would sell quite nicely but the venue squabbling will probably tank the fight.

Well low and behold Chavez has announced that he's staying at 168 errr 173 and wouldn't you now it he magically appears at #2 in the rankings for the Wbc title recently stripped from Mr.Ward. Now as pathetic as this in your face corruption is the kid is one of the best paydays in the division and should he get a shot at Bika and beat him Ward could do a little payback on the way out the door.

I question Jrs commitment, like everyone else, do you think he can beat Bika? His last fight was pathetic.

Going on Chavez Jnrs showing against Vera, I'd hazard a guess that Bika beats the living daylights out of him. Despite not being incredibly technical, I think Bika is quite a tough beast at 168. In fact, on top of that, I'd like to see Bika smash Chavez and Froch beat Groves, then for Froch to meet with Bika. That would be a war.

[Bo-Bo24]

I'd love to see a fighter who can match Kovalev

[powerpuncher]

Good question. Maybe he should stay just a bit longer. A rematch with Froch would sell quite nicely but the venue squabbling will probably tank the fight.

Well low and behold Chavez has announced that he's staying at 168 errr 173 and wouldn't you now it he magically appears at #2 in the rankings for the Wbc title recently stripped from Mr.Ward. Now as pathetic as this in your face corruption is the kid is one of the best paydays in the division and should he get a shot at Bika and beat him Ward could do a little payback on the way out the door.

The only fight worth having for him at super middle is Froch rematch and it should be in England as Froch is by far the more attractive fighter and I believe the bigger draw, plus Froch has more belts.

Just shows that you can bore your way to winning every fight but you can be exciting like Froch and lose, yet be liked by so many more people.

If he doesn't rematch Froch and move up after all the talk he had about the fact that he would come to England for it, it'll seem like he ducked him, which is ridiculous because he's already beat him.

But Froch is a different beast now and it would be so much closer.

are you serious? what has froch done to make you think that he is any different than when he fought ward? it would be the same exact fight. the only reason i would take the fight if i were ward is because in england, they can pack the arena and ward can get some good money. froch doesnt really deserve a rematch.

[Vendettos]

Good question. Maybe he should stay just a bit longer. A rematch with Froch would sell quite nicely but the venue squabbling will probably tank the fight.

Well low and behold Chavez has announced that he's staying at 168 errr 173 and wouldn't you now it he magically appears at #2 in the rankings for the Wbc title recently stripped from Mr.Ward. Now as pathetic as this in your face corruption is the kid is one of the best paydays in the division and should he get a shot at Bika and beat him Ward could do a little payback on the way out the door.

The only fight worth having for him at super middle is Froch rematch and it should be in England as Froch is by far the more attractive fighter and I believe the bigger draw, plus Froch has more belts.

Just shows that you can bore your way to winning every fight but you can be exciting like Froch and lose, yet be liked by so many more people.

If he doesn't rematch Froch and move up after all the talk he had about the fact that he would come to England for it, it'll seem like he ducked him, which is ridiculous because he's already beat him.

But Froch is a different beast now and it would be so much closer.

are you serious? what has froch done to make you think that he is any different than when he fought ward? it would be the same exact fight. the only reason i would take the fight if i were ward is because in england, they can pack the arena and ward can get some good money. froch doesnt really deserve a rematch.

He hadn't had a KO in nearly 3 years when he fought Ward.
Since then he's destroyed the unbeaten Bute.
Walked through Mack.
Avenged his loss to Kessler.
Went on to currently holding more belts than Ward

The question is what has Ward done since the Froch fight?

Had 1 fight in 2 years.
Beat a weight drained Chad Dawson.
Been stripped of a title for inactivity.


Froch doesn't deserve rematch? Really?

[p4pking]

Froch does deserve a rematch for sure if he wants one, but he isn't going to beat Ward and it would probably even be wider the second time around imo. If the fight doesn't happen for whatever reason it's not as if there is unfinished business, Ward clearly won the first and neither really need the other to move forward. It was a shitty fight anyways.

[powerpuncher]

Good question. Maybe he should stay just a bit longer. A rematch with Froch would sell quite nicely but the venue squabbling will probably tank the fight.

Well low and behold Chavez has announced that he's staying at 168 errr 173 and wouldn't you now it he magically appears at #2 in the rankings for the Wbc title recently stripped from Mr.Ward. Now as pathetic as this in your face corruption is the kid is one of the best paydays in the division and should he get a shot at Bika and beat him Ward could do a little payback on the way out the door.

The only fight worth having for him at super middle is Froch rematch and it should be in England as Froch is by far the more attractive fighter and I believe the bigger draw, plus Froch has more belts.

Just shows that you can bore your way to winning every fight but you can be exciting like Froch and lose, yet be liked by so many more people.

If he doesn't rematch Froch and move up after all the talk he had about the fact that he would come to England for it, it'll seem like he ducked him, which is ridiculous because he's already beat him.

But Froch is a different beast now and it would be so much closer.

are you serious? what has froch done to make you think that he is any different than when he fought ward? it would be the same exact fight. the only reason i would take the fight if i were ward is because in england, they can pack the arena and ward can get some good money. froch doesnt really deserve a rematch.

He hadn't had a KO in nearly 3 years when he fought Ward.
Since then he's destroyed the unbeaten Bute.
Walked through Mack.
Avenged his loss to Kessler.
Went on to currently holding more belts than Ward

The question is what has Ward done since the Froch fight?

Had 1 fight in 2 years.
Beat a weight drained Chad Dawson.
Been stripped of a title for inactivity.


Froch doesn't deserve rematch? Really?

first off, it doesnt matter what ward hasnt done. just because he has been injured and hasnt had many fights recently, doesnt mean that he somehow owes froch a rematch.

secondly, froch's wins didnt really prove anything that we didnt already know about him. he beat a weak chinned bute, beat mack who isnt a world class fighter by any means, and squeaked by a decision against kessler which showed that he is the same fighter from years ago when he had his first fight with kessler. the difference in the fight was that kessler was older and less active for their second fight which was probably the difference.

im not saying that froch hasnt done anything since the ward fight, but i wouldnt at all say he deserves a rematch. the first fight wasnt close and froch hasnt shown any signs of progression since the fight.

[TitoFan]

Good question. Maybe he should stay just a bit longer. A rematch with Froch would sell quite nicely but the venue squabbling will probably tank the fight.

Well low and behold Chavez has announced that he's staying at 168 errr 173 and wouldn't you now it he magically appears at #2 in the rankings for the Wbc title recently stripped from Mr.Ward. Now as pathetic as this in your face corruption is the kid is one of the best paydays in the division and should he get a shot at Bika and beat him Ward could do a little payback on the way out the door.

Junior's ranked # 2 by the WBC? What a surprise.

I guess those are the perks when your godfather happens to be the Mafia boss.... er..... President of a major boxing commission.

Also, why go up in weight when you can cheat your way to a fake weight loss.... and then bloat up to twice the size of your unfortunate opponent?

All the WBC needs is a big top and some clowns.
Well..... besides Chavez Jr. and Sulaiman, that is.

[Vendettos]

Good question. Maybe he should stay just a bit longer. A rematch with Froch would sell quite nicely but the venue squabbling will probably tank the fight.

Well low and behold Chavez has announced that he's staying at 168 errr 173 and wouldn't you now it he magically appears at #2 in the rankings for the Wbc title recently stripped from Mr.Ward. Now as pathetic as this in your face corruption is the kid is one of the best paydays in the division and should he get a shot at Bika and beat him Ward could do a little payback on the way out the door.

The only fight worth having for him at super middle is Froch rematch and it should be in England as Froch is by far the more attractive fighter and I believe the bigger draw, plus Froch has more belts.

Just shows that you can bore your way to winning every fight but you can be exciting like Froch and lose, yet be liked by so many more people.

If he doesn't rematch Froch and move up after all the talk he had about the fact that he would come to England for it, it'll seem like he ducked him, which is ridiculous because he's already beat him.

But Froch is a different beast now and it would be so much closer.

are you serious? what has froch done to make you think that he is any different than when he fought ward? it would be the same exact fight. the only reason i would take the fight if i were ward is because in england, they can pack the arena and ward can get some good money. froch doesnt really deserve a rematch.

He hadn't had a KO in nearly 3 years when he fought Ward.
Since then he's destroyed the unbeaten Bute.
Walked through Mack.
Avenged his loss to Kessler.
Went on to currently holding more belts than Ward

The question is what has Ward done since the Froch fight?

Had 1 fight in 2 years.
Beat a weight drained Chad Dawson.
Been stripped of a title for inactivity.


Froch doesn't deserve rematch? Really?

first off, it doesnt matter what ward hasnt done. just because he has been injured and hasnt had many fights recently, doesnt mean that he somehow owes froch a rematch.

secondly, froch's wins didnt really prove anything that we didnt already know about him. he beat a weak chinned bute, beat mack who isnt a world class fighter by any means, and squeaked by a decision against kessler which showed that he is the same fighter from years ago when he had his first fight with kessler. the difference in the fight was that kessler was older and less active for their second fight which was probably the difference.

im not saying that froch hasnt done anything since the ward fight, but i wouldnt at all say he deserves a rematch. the first fight wasnt close and froch hasnt shown any signs of progression since the fight.

Froch has been an animal since the Ward fight.

I'm sorry but you're wrong, everyone can see Froch and his quite blatant improvements, he's peaked just now.

And again I hate to point out but 2 of the judges scores the Froch v Ward fight 115-113, I assume you know what that score means.

It means Ward won by 2 rounds. He won fair and square, but one good shot from Froch during any of the rounds Ward won and the fights a draw.

Rematch is in order, plus the tactics the fight pretty much everyone wants to see Froch in.

[powerpuncher]

Good question. Maybe he should stay just a bit longer. A rematch with Froch would sell quite nicely but the venue squabbling will probably tank the fight.

Well low and behold Chavez has announced that he's staying at 168 errr 173 and wouldn't you now it he magically appears at #2 in the rankings for the Wbc title recently stripped from Mr.Ward. Now as pathetic as this in your face corruption is the kid is one of the best paydays in the division and should he get a shot at Bika and beat him Ward could do a little payback on the way out the door.

The only fight worth having for him at super middle is Froch rematch and it should be in England as Froch is by far the more attractive fighter and I believe the bigger draw, plus Froch has more belts.

Just shows that you can bore your way to winning every fight but you can be exciting like Froch and lose, yet be liked by so many more people.

If he doesn't rematch Froch and move up after all the talk he had about the fact that he would come to England for it, it'll seem like he ducked him, which is ridiculous because he's already beat him.

But Froch is a different beast now and it would be so much closer.

are you serious? what has froch done to make you think that he is any different than when he fought ward? it would be the same exact fight. the only reason i would take the fight if i were ward is because in england, they can pack the arena and ward can get some good money. froch doesnt really deserve a rematch.

He hadn't had a KO in nearly 3 years when he fought Ward.
Since then he's destroyed the unbeaten Bute.
Walked through Mack.
Avenged his loss to Kessler.
Went on to currently holding more belts than Ward

The question is what has Ward done since the Froch fight?

Had 1 fight in 2 years.
Beat a weight drained Chad Dawson.
Been stripped of a title for inactivity.


Froch doesn't deserve rematch? Really?

first off, it doesnt matter what ward hasnt done. just because he has been injured and hasnt had many fights recently, doesnt mean that he somehow owes froch a rematch.

secondly, froch's wins didnt really prove anything that we didnt already know about him. he beat a weak chinned bute, beat mack who isnt a world class fighter by any means, and squeaked by a decision against kessler which showed that he is the same fighter from years ago when he had his first fight with kessler. the difference in the fight was that kessler was older and less active for their second fight which was probably the difference.

im not saying that froch hasnt done anything since the ward fight, but i wouldnt at all say he deserves a rematch. the first fight wasnt close and froch hasnt shown any signs of progression since the fight.

Froch has been an animal since the Ward fight.

I'm sorry but you're wrong, everyone can see Froch and his quite blatant improvements, he's peaked just now.

And again I hate to point out but 2 of the judges scores the Froch v Ward fight 115-113, I assume you know what that score means.

It means Ward won by 2 rounds. He won fair and square, but one good shot from Froch during any of the rounds Ward won and the fights a draw.

Rematch is in order, plus the tactics the fight pretty much everyone wants to see Froch in.

i dont know why you are apologizing to me for being wrong because you gave me no evidence on what makes you think that froch has gotten better. he beat people that he would have beaten 5 years ago in the same way that he would have beaten them 5 years ago. do you know why he didnt have a KO for a while before the bute fight? because he fought people with good chins like abraham, johnson, and kessler. he couldnt even KO dirrell who has a weak chin.

anyways, i dont care what the judges scored the ward/froch fight because we have seen time and time again that judges being correct is the exception rather than the rule. there is no way that ward won that fight 115-113. it was nowhere near that close whether or not 2 judges scored it that way.

[Vendettos]

I can see you made your mind up before this thread even began, and you're one of those idiots that joins the website that won't listen to reason and just argues a point regardless how wrong you might be, from my experience your type lasts about 200 posts on here, then vanish.

So I'm not one for wasting my finger power on pointless arguments.



So ..... Fuck you noobie!

Welcome to the website.

[powerpuncher]

I can see you made your mind up before this thread even began, and you're one of those idiots that joins the website that won't listen to reason and just argues a point regardless how wrong you might be, from my experience your type lasts about 200 posts on here, then vanish.

So I'm not one for wasting my finger power on pointless arguments.



So ..... Fuck you noobie!

Welcome to the website.

good comeback.

i dont mind people disagreeing with me but you obviously do. i made an argument that you couldnt handle. sorry.

[Primo Carnera]

I can see you made your mind up before this thread even began, and you're one of those idiots that joins the website that won't listen to reason and just argues a point regardless how wrong you might be, from my experience your type lasts about 200 posts on here, then vanish.




So I'm not one for wasting my finger power on pointless arguments.



































So ..... Fuck you noobie!




Welcome to the website.

good comeback.




i dont mind people disagreeing with me but you obviously do. i made an argument that you couldnt handle. sorry.

Good banter from both of you, but of the record I agree with Powerpuncher one million per cent.
What would Froch do differently if he fought Ward? That's why he doesn't deserve a rematch, because he proved they're at different levels technically. As far as judge's scorecards go , we've seen recently that they should be taken with a massive pinch of salt both sides of the Atlantic.