Do you believe in God?

[Beanz]

[QUOTE=NVSemin;1201144]

You believe in a God that rewards and punishes the objects of his creation.

You may hate and try to punsih cancer, but it does not mean you hate the person who has it.
Same for God, who hates sin, but loves sinners

Then why create the sin for us to manage? Look your hell and damnation does not wash with me and I was raised Lutheran. In the end you are talking about a flawed God. An emotional one that makes decisions based on the same weaknesses that we do. A God in short that is no better then we are. Whats the point? Its like some cosmos reality tv show and much of the reason I became an existentialist. I may believe that there must be something else other then the fossil fuel I am destined to become at times but it certainly is not the vengeful God you born agains talk about. Now I have to remove myself from this thread because its starting to feel like a vacuum and nothing will be solved.

Just remember my name, because when GOd will exalt me, your eyes may be opened, and we go back to discussion. My dream is to win Nobel Prize and be a boxing coach, raising Tyson 2.0 and Sugar Ray 1001. So keep eyes on that. God will make it happen. Then I will go back to thios thread and turn all sinners into believers.

Nuff said!

OMG You are so thsuuuper

[walrus]

I understand why Some people don't believe. Faith is the assurance in things hoped for and the belief in things unseen. It goes against our nature at times. What I don't understand is why some have contempt for individuals who do believe. I love to discuss faith but when people want to argue I usually run.

[Andre]

I understand why Some people don't believe. Faith is the assurance in things hoped for and the belief in things unseen. It goes against our nature at times. What I don't understand is why some have contempt for individuals who do believe. I love to discuss faith but when people want to argue I usually run.

We have some decent conversations about it all in here these days.

I think generally the mistrust comes when they see a church has mass wealth, gold and marble on the alters and then they walk around the block and see kids begging in the streets is when the questions start.
Alot of these institutions have set their followers up so that they personally dont have to do anything but have faith and pay up a certain amount (preferably 10%) and then all is supposed to be well.

[IamInuit]

I understand why Some people don't believe. Faith is the assurance in things hoped for and the belief in things unseen. It goes against our nature at times. What I don't understand is why some have contempt for individuals who do believe. I love to discuss faith but when people want to argue I usually run.

I was not going to return to this but at the first sign of dogma and thinking that soon it will be put forth that we had ridden on the back of dinosaurs and that the earth is only 7 thousand years old is when I run as a rule. I am fully aware that belief does not require anything but itself. You quoted Hebrews and I understand but that also is a clever way not to investigate or open ones mind to others.

[walrus]

I understand why Some people don't believe. Faith is the assurance in things hoped for and the belief in things unseen. It goes against our nature at times. What I don't understand is why some have contempt for individuals who do believe. I love to discuss faith but when people want to argue I usually run.

I was not going to return to this but at the first sign of dogma and thinking that soon it will be put forth that we had ridden on the back of dinosaurs and that the earth is only 7 thousand years old is when I run as a rule. I am fully aware that belief does not require anything but itself. You quoted Hebrews and I understand but that also is a clever way not to investigate or open ones mind to others.

Most Christians do not believe the ten thousand year thing. What.you say proves you have done little investigation. What I quoted was Saint Paul talking about faith being difficult sometimes. I made sure I did not insult atheists as that would counter my post.

[brocktonblockbust]

fact is, anybody who says they KNOW God exists or that they KNOW their religion is correct is full of donkey, horse, mule, dog, rat, cat, and camel shit. YOur religion is NOT correct. Becuase if you'd been born in India you'd most liely be a Hindu; and if in Mexico a Christian. And if in the INdus Valley you'd be sitting here telling me that Zoroaster was the One True prophet. And if you'd been born in Japan you'd be mouthing off that Shinto was the rage. And if you'd been born in Macapa, Brazil you'd be telling me your animist religion was the One True religion. And if in Lhasa, Tibet you'd be championing Buddhism.

Therefore you are full of llama, ostrich, and dung-beetle shit to say that yours and yours alone is the correct and One True religion.

Now onto the the existence of God Itself---for I will not attribute testosterone nor estrogen to anything which hath supposedly creating the Universe(s).
Of course its hard to imagine a beginning because it implies that previous to that there was Nothing. Which contains nothing for anything to spring out of. But who am I to say that something cannot spring out of nothing? Makes little sense to human minds, but it could be just like that. Infinity makes little sense to us too.

So God could or could not exist. I dont know and we will never know atleast not

[Dark Lord Al]

To be honest does anyone here really want to go to heaven ( if it exists ) ?
Think about it , if NVSEMIN is there does anyone want to listen to that cunt for eternity ?
I for one will pass the chance.

[Fenster]

Six thousand children die daily from a lack of clean drinking water/sanitation. Billions of people, currently breathing, think they're "special" because they reached an age where they were able to query their existence.

100 years from now virtually nobody will even know us Saddo pals even existed.

((I'm available for birthdays, weddings and bar mitzvahs))

[p4pking]

I understand why Some people don't believe. Faith is the assurance in things hoped for and the belief in things unseen. It goes against our nature at times. What I don't understand is why some have contempt for individuals who do believe. I love to discuss faith but when people want to argue I usually run.

As a Christian one will believe I am going to hell when I die, which is much worse than anything I could ever wish upon anyone. I think people are within their rights to be offended by that in the abstract, but as long as such an opinion isn't presented to me I would never judge anyone personally for having an imaginary friend.

[walrus]

I understand why Some people don't believe. Faith is the assurance in things hoped for and the belief in things unseen. It goes against our nature at times. What I don't understand is why some have contempt for individuals who do believe. I love to discuss faith but when people want to argue I usually run.

As a Christian one will believe I am going to hell when I die, which is much worse than anything I could ever wish upon anyone. I think people are within their rights to be offended by that in the abstract, but as long as such an opinion isn't presented to me I would never judge anyone personally for having an imaginary friend.

I can't speak speak for all Christians but Catholics do not believe that people who don't believe are destined for he'll. The theology for people who did not believe during life but make it anyway is actually quite sound. So feel as you must but what you are saying does not hold true to the 1.3 billion Catholics in the world. It's fine you don't believe but perhaps you should clarify some of your misconceptions.

[p4pking]

I understand why Some people don't believe. Faith is the assurance in things hoped for and the belief in things unseen. It goes against our nature at times. What I don't understand is why some have contempt for individuals who do believe. I love to discuss faith but when people want to argue I usually run.

As a Christian one will believe I am going to hell when I die, which is much worse than anything I could ever wish upon anyone. I think people are within their rights to be offended by that in the abstract, but as long as such an opinion isn't presented to me I would never judge anyone personally for having an imaginary friend.

I can't speak speak for all Christians but Catholics do not believe that people who don't believe are destined for he'll. The theology for people who did not believe during life but make it anyway is actually quite sound. So feel as you must but what you are saying does not hold true to the 1.3 billion Catholics in the world. It's fine you don't believe but perhaps you should clarify some of your misconceptions.

Having misconceptions about any religion is almost a paradox to me, as I belive it to be nothing more than fiction in the first place. I do find it fascinating that people are so predisposed to believe in personal gods and I should absolutely learn more about the basis for all of them, but it's not at the top of my list if I'm honest. Imo it's exciting that religion has been all but dismissed amongst serious thinkers in the last few centuries, and any evidence against it will only grow exponentially. Suppose we find concrete proof of life on another planet in our time, what would that mean to you?

[Andre]

I understand why Some people don't believe. Faith is the assurance in things hoped for and the belief in things unseen. It goes against our nature at times. What I don't understand is why some have contempt for individuals who do believe. I love to discuss faith but when people want to argue I usually run.

As a Christian one will believe I am going to hell when I die, which is much worse than anything I could ever wish upon anyone. I think people are within their rights to be offended by that in the abstract, but as long as such an opinion isn't presented to me I would never judge anyone personally for having an imaginary friend.

I can't speak speak for all Christians but Catholics do not believe that people who don't believe are destined for he'll. The theology for people who did not believe during life but make it anyway is actually quite sound. So feel as you must but what you are saying does not hold true to the 1.3 billion Catholics in the world. It's fine you don't believe but perhaps you should clarify some of your misconceptions.

Having misconceptions about any religion is almost a paradox to me, as I belive it to be nothing more than fiction in the first place. I do find it fascinating that people are so predisposed to believe in personal gods and I should absolutely learn more about the basis for all of them, but it's not at the top of my list if I'm honest. Imo it's exciting that religion has been all but dismissed amongst serious thinkers in the last few centuries, and any evidence against it will only grow exponentially. Suppose we find concrete proof of life on another planet in our time, what would that mean to you?

When you think about our Sun; It can fit our earth into it about a million times and our sun fits into the largest Sun in our Universe a billion times! Then there are more stars in our Universe than there are grains of sand in all the beaches of the world. Then we have 12 dimensions around us unseen. That sort of tells me we cant be the only ones in this.We are on the scale of things low lifes the way we treat each other and the planet. First time Ive used a lap top without mouse just then. I want my mouse back!Ah the trivialities.

[IamInuit]

“Barefoot conducts his seminars on his houseboat in Sausalito. It costs a hundred dollars to find out why we are on this Earth. You also get a sandwich, but I wasn't hungry that day. John Lennon had just been killed and I think I know why we are on this Earth; it's to find out that what you love the most will be taken away from you, probably due to an error in high places rather than by design.”

“In the face of the obscene, explicit malice of the jungle, which lacks only dinosaurs as punctuation, I feel like a half-finished, poorly expressed sentence in a cheap novel.”

“I spent the afternoon musing on Life. If you come to think of it, what a queer thing Life is! So unlike anything else, don't you know, if you see what I mean.”

“A myth is a way of making sense in a senseless world. Myths are narrative patterns that give significance to our existence.”

“It's not always easy to distinguish between existentialism and a bad mood.”

“You say 'I' and you are proud of this word. But greater than this- although you will not believe in it - is your body and its great intelligence, which does not say 'I' but performs 'I'.”

“One must not let oneself be misled: they say 'Judge not!' but they send to Hell everything that stands in their way.”

“Take it moment by moment, and you will find that we are all, as I’ve said before, bugs in amber.”

Now I'm not as dark and hard deterministic and these people but I'm at the door. I hold on tightly to the thoughts or belief that there must be something else. That random chance cant be the father of all of things. But the God of religion and especially Christianity has about the same odds as being the omnipotent one as random chance.