The Haye Blueprint

[Max Power]

We've heard it before... "The key to beating Wlad is constant pressure"

We've heard the excuses... "Wlad's opponents are useless, the division is a joke, nobody has enough skills to get inside Wlad's jab, go to the body, drop his hands and pop him in the head" As if the task were EASY!

And we've seen the results... Time and again, the pressure fails.

Ever since the last scare against Samuel Peter Wlad has never been troubled by this sort of fighter again. I recall during an earlier Wlad fight (perhaps his loss to Sander's I'm not sure) that Merchant, Lampley and Foreman were saying how Wladimir "needs to learn how to clinch his way out of trouble". Well LOL Wladimir and Manny must have reviewed the HBO coverage and thought it was a good idea because this is how Wlad has managed to get himself out of trouble ever since!

David Haye under performed in his fight with Wladimir it's true but imo he did show us a glimpse of what might have been.

The blue print David showed us requires a fighter like David- he must be fast of foot and hand to dart in throw a surprise shot or 2 and get the hell out. He must be powerful enough to wobble Wlad and possess superior reflexes to avoid the damage from Wlad's big long shots on the way in.

The blueprint is quite the opposite, to hang out of range and dart in and out with sneaky, quick but bombing attacks in the hopes of really hurting the champ.

Trouble is, who apart from David Haye could potentially pull off such an event?

Maybe Wilder with some refinement or Boytsov

[powerpuncher]

its impossible to beat him. he is just too good

[erics44]

no fighter has troubled him since peter because since peter he has been allowed to clinch to extremes, his fights no longer resemble boxing

[Max Power]

Yes I am aware as we all are the reason why, I described the "huggy bear" tactics.

But the fact is he IS doing it and he IS getting away with it so clearly a different approach is required or he will hug again! lol

Notice the bigger taller fighters try stand up fight tactics with him, they do NOT try to rush in. But Wlad will always beat these guys too because he can out punch anybody his own size in terms of both speed and power, a product of his superior conditioning that no other 245lb 6'6" 81" reach HW could match at this time or has ever matched previously!

[erics44]

Yes I am aware as we all are the reason why, I described the "huggy bear" tactics.

But the fact is he IS doing it and he IS getting away with it so clearly a different approach is required or he will hug again! lol

Notice the bigger taller fighters try stand up fight tactics with him, they do NOT try to rush in. But Wlad will always beat these guys too because he can out punch anybody his own size in terms of both speed and power, a product of his superior conditioning that no other 245lb 6'6" 81" reach HW could match at this time or has ever matched previously!

the taller fighters he has fought have been utter shit, the best has probably been tony thompson and he looked utter rubbish against pulev

the fact is that there is extreme amounts of corruption surrounding his fights, in any other fight with any other ref he would be DQ'd

i am honestly doubtful that anyone would be allowed to beat him now, imagine if haye had landed a big punch, what lengths would the ref and ringside officials go to to ensure he was given time to recover and that haye wouldnt be allowed to land another punch

the only way to beat him and therefor the blue print is to get him away from eastern europe / germany and get an impartial ref

he is clearly good at what he does, very few other men would have been able to apply those tactics so well against the better fighters he has fought and win the fights, its just that his tactics arent in the boxing rule book

[Max Power]

I have to be honest here, his last fight was a bit much I agree.

But that fight where he went beyond the limit for me was in Russia, Povetkin's home ground with a supposedly home ref right?

Why didn't he separate them?

It's disgusting but are we sure it is not allowed are we? I have heard much dispute on that matter.

Tony Thompson was probably his best taller opponent granted. I think Tony gave Wlad a good fight when they fought. Tony is old now. That is a good example, Thompson was able to breach Wlad's defences. But punch speed and punch power won him the fight!

[erics44]

I have to be honest here, his last fight was a bit much I agree.

But that fight where he went beyond the limit for me was in Russia, Povetkin's home ground with a supposedly home ref right?

Why didn't he separate them?

It's disgusting but are we sure it is not allowed are we? I have heard much dispute on that matter.

Tony Thompson was probably his best taller opponent granted. I think Tony gave Wlad a good fight when they fought. Tony is old now. That is a good example, Thompson was able to breach Wlad's defences. But punch speed and punch power won him the fight!

have a look who has reffed wlads last few fights, it was wlads ref in the provetkin fight doing what he always does, and lets be honest, russia isnt exactly an away day for wlad, when he fights anyone but provetkin he is russian

haye was poor against wlad but wlads holding was extreme in that fight also

and it isnt allowed, the rules clearly state that holding isnt allowed and is considered a fowl

and how shit would the sport be if it was allowed? it would be like mma (or one of wlads fights)

[Max Power]

Well there has to be a loophole. The WBA, WBO, IBF and Ring magazine management and the commissions are not going to allow Wlad to cheat for a decade to remain champion. Something he is doing is legal.

Anyway I was not aware that it was Wlad's ref involved in Povetkin fight. That ref should never be allowed to ref a title fight again.

I think they should enter a clause where Wlad must defend every second fight on the challengers home ground or atleast a neutral ground with neutral refs.

[erics44]

Well there has to be a loophole. The WBA, WBO, IBF and Ring magazine management and the commissions are not going to allow Wlad to cheat for a decade to remain champion. Something he is doing is legal.

Anyway I was not aware that it was Wlad's ref involved in Povetkin fight. That ref should never be allowed to ref a title fight again.

I think they should enter a clause where Wlad must defend every second fight on the challengers home ground or atleast a neutral ground with neutral refs.

Money

Money

Money

the IBF, WBA, WBO make a mint out of wlad fights, they wouldnt do anything about stopping it, and if that ref didnt ref wlad fights they would just pay someone else a mint to let him cheat, and why would they have wlad fight anywhere else with a different ref if there was a chance of him losing

the reality is we are just going to have to wait until he retires to have any interesting and fair HW title fights again

[El Kabong]

The way to beat Wladimir is a process with many steps. Make him move constantly, initiate clinches only to break them early and punch on the way out, use angles, work the body specifically the ribs under the left arm to attempt to stymie his jab. If he leans on you just give way, no use in fighting against his weight, plus it won't be ruled a knockdown unless he hits you on the way down.

A lot of fighters seem to want to make Wlad reach and miss, but the issue with that is (especially if Wlad's using his jab) Wlad will half punch the jab, paw with it, leaving his arm partially extended and from that position he can and does land full power jabs when he believes he's in better range and when his opponents think they are just out of range. It's almost like in ice hockey with a poke check, sometimes a defenseman will give a forward a little room by pulling his stick back a bit, and when the forward gets too comfortable , BANG! The defenseman shoots the stick at the puck and causes a turnover. It's the same concept Wlad utilizes with his jab.

[erics44]

nah you ant got the foggiest idea what youre on about

theres 1 way to beat him, get yourself in a position where any fight you have would generate more money than any fight he would have, and where you could do that on a consitent regular basis

[FinitoElDinamita]

What blueprint bruh? lol He didnt do shit but run like a girl and getting on his knees a bunch of times in fear of getting hit.

If anything, Lamon Brewster's blueprint is the best even though Wlad may not be the same fighter today.. He still had the right idea

Amir Mansour can beat Wlad

[Max Power]

What blueprint did Brewster bring? Get your head punched in so bad you couldn't even remember your name and be gifted with a win via steroid overdose or poisoning? Then in the rematch get your head punched in and hope for the same thing to happen except the opponent was healthy this time?

Yeah sounds like a sure fire plan genius lol

We already know how Wlad treats guys like this these days.

[El Kabong]

If anything, Lamon Brewster's blueprint is the best even though Wlad may not be the same fighter today.. He still had the right idea

Amir Mansour can beat Wlad

Lamon Brewster's "blueprint" for beating Wlad was just to get punched in the head, get knocked down, have Wlad gun for the KO and absorb all that punishment until Wlad tired out. Now call me crazy, but I don't see A) Wlad being dumb enough to gas out again and B ) any heavyweight who is either tough enough or dumb enough to allow Wlad to beat the ever living crap out of them until he's tired.


Amir Mansour is 41, is too small, and he had better not take his focus off of Kelvin Price.

[Silkeyjoe]

Wlad excessively held against Povetkin, which was very strange as he was clearly in complete control at all times. In his previous fights he did not. There are very few boxers who do not hold when on the inside when they are the bigger man and to suggest Wlad would be DQd by other refs is bullshit.