Why is there even a discussion about Iran and nukes?

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In addition, the US and Israel are crazy but Iran is crazy crazy, that's enough of a reason.

Absolute bullshit.

Your country invades others, it toppled the elected Iranian leader, it renditions, it tortures, it assassinates on sovereign soil, it spies upon the communications of all (Hello Nigel at the NSA! Don't tell the wife). It leaves a flotsam of military debris after almost every invaded nation.

Who were you suggesting is crazy? I've not even started on Israel.

Look, if you really want the answer, I am trying to explain it to you
What you are saying is an opinion based on your belief which you got from childhood. These beliefs are formed by the culture you grew up around and so on. I resect it, but ...

The "but" is : there is absolute truth. So, Iran in its actions might be doing something not bad "locally", but the foundations of their actions, the first principles, are screwed. This is why they suffer. Simple as that.