Why is there even a discussion about Iran and nukes?

[Gandalf]

Israel has nuclear weapons.
America has nuclear weapons.

Israel has and has used chemical weapons.
America has and has used chemical and nuclear weapons.

America illegally invades countries and renditions people, Israel randomly bombs embassies and assasinates people.

And yet Iran remains a problem? Really? Why is this even news and why doesn't Iran tell them all to just fuck off?

I cannot stand religion, but what annoys me more than religion is the posturing abuse of power.

[SugarBoxing]

And yet Iran remains a problem? Really? Why is this even news and why doesn't Iran tell them all to just fuck off?

What if you have a wrong perspective?

Notice that every country which has a "cult of a man" = tirany like ex- USSR (Stalin), Cuba (Castro), North Korea (little rat), Libia (kadafi)- they suck, people live pourly, men and freedom are abused, human rights are violated , etc etc. Iran does not believe in true God, and they suck big time. Simple as that.

Second reason they are openly against Isreal. God will kick they asses.

Feel free to ask more questions.

[walrus]

In addition, the US and Israel are crazy but Iran is crazy crazy, that's enough of a reason.

[SugarBoxing]

In addtion to the addition, it does not matter what people are thinking is right or wrong. What matters is what God thinks is right or wrong. This goes beyond human logic. Iran is wrong in God' opinion, that's enough of a reason.

[Gandalf]

In addition, the US and Israel are crazy but Iran is crazy crazy, that's enough of a reason.

Absolute bullshit.

Your country invades others, it toppled the elected Iranian leader, it renditions, it tortures, it assassinates on sovereign soil, it spies upon the communications of all (Hello Nigel at the NSA! Don't tell the wife). It leaves a flotsam of military debris after almost every invaded nation.

Who were you suggesting is crazy? I've not even started on Israel.

[SugarBoxing]

In addition, the US and Israel are crazy but Iran is crazy crazy, that's enough of a reason.

Absolute bullshit.

Your country invades others, it toppled the elected Iranian leader, it renditions, it tortures, it assassinates on sovereign soil, it spies upon the communications of all (Hello Nigel at the NSA! Don't tell the wife). It leaves a flotsam of military debris after almost every invaded nation.

Who were you suggesting is crazy? I've not even started on Israel.

Look, if you really want the answer, I am trying to explain it to you
What you are saying is an opinion based on your belief which you got from childhood. These beliefs are formed by the culture you grew up around and so on. I resect it, but ...

The "but" is : there is absolute truth. So, Iran in its actions might be doing something not bad "locally", but the foundations of their actions, the first principles, are screwed. This is why they suffer. Simple as that.

[Gandalf]

No, Iran is being made to go through the grind because it is a weaker power, but it is the easier option than being the next Iraq. Morally, they have every right to nuclear power. Nobody could suggest otherwise. However, what we have is an immoral crock of shit governing the world and once again a sovereign nation must bend.

It is degrading and appalling.

I keep looking for the perfect cue to leave in a flash of poetic glory, but politics muddies any beauty in the language.

[walrus]

You don't ask questions, you make statements posed as questions. I wouldn't even bother to debate you. It would be like trying to teach a pig to sing which would waste my time and annoy the pig.

[Gandalf]

You don't ask questions, you make statements posed as questions. I wouldn't even bother to debate you. It would be like trying to teach a pig to sing which would waste my time and annoy the pig.

Right, and God is singing a lullaby in the corner of the room. Oh, but he must be somewhere else then. Ho, ho, ho, the big God charlatan fair. Beliefs with nothing, at least my nothings are really my nothings.

[Gandalf]

Perspective is something suggested to me. All I know is that you have to be consistent and to allow God to get involved is dishonest. The entire media discourse is dishonest on this issue, except for a few valiant resisting parties.

[Dark Lord Al]

Israel has nuclear weapons.
America has nuclear weapons.

Israel has and has used chemical weapons.
America has and has used chemical and nuclear weapons.

America illegally invades countries and renditions people, Israel randomly bombs embassies and assasinates people.

And yet Iran remains a problem? Really? Why is this even news and why doesn't Iran tell them all to just fuck off?


I cannot stand religion, but what annoys me more than religion is the posturing abuse of power.

You asked why is there a discussion about Iran and nukes , then you started a thread on it ?
Did you ask yourself why is there a thread on Iran and nukes?

[Max Power]

I think Iran, which is a fairly large country and powerful regional power unto itself anyway, is not the push over that it's neighbours have been, particularly since I believe they have a sort of alliance formed with Russia and China, the triple pact designed to limit US incursion into the region. Iran possesses the largest stock of sea mines in the world and in the event of war are capable of completely sealing off the Persian Gulf from enemy ships, thereby limiting any US military action to air strike and cross border land invasion with the threat of Russian and Chinese action as well. An unlikely scenario.

Might as well embrace Iran now as a nuclear power as there's F/A America can or rather will do about it except make empty threats and whinge. Without EU and UN backing for an invasion they are in fact, out-mighted by the "Eurasian axis".