Look I simply don't rate Frazier, never have. I've seen nothing in his fights to suggest his performance against Ali was little more than an expose of the holes in Ali's skillset.

Apart from Ali who mind you I know is a very decent opponent, who did he beat who has any relevance to a modern HW boxer? Nobody! He is famous for only the 2 reasons mentioned above imo.

Tomasz Adamek has limitations at modern HW because of his miniscule size but that is relative to HIS opponents. He is still 3 inches taller and heavier than Frazier! And Adamek is ripped at his weight where as Frazier was almost never in shape for his fights!

I do acknowledge Frazier was natural and Adamek uses steroids to achieve his physical self but I'm not referring to ethics here.

On top of this Adamek has a solid very good CW record- opponents who Frazier also fought remember and Adamek wasn't allowed to have the size advantage Frazier was and has faced some really hard opponents at HW where as most of Frazier's wins were against mismatched and undersized ones or with losing records with only few exceptions. Check it out thoroughly and you will see, I am not the only one to have shared this view.

Adamek is no world beater at HW but he is a multiple world titlist and much higher quality than you give him credit for.

If you believe in Joe, I wont try convince you otherwise, fine! But it will take more than heresay to sway me over.