froch didnt do terrible in the fight against groves

[Mark TKO]

I had Froch 5 down and all over the place getting old and no answers.

However I thin it had turned and he would have got the stoppage in next round or so.

Wasn't his fault but he has to give the rematch or retire (Lewis - Vitali option really)

[FinitoElDinamita]

I had Froch 5 down and all over the place getting old and no answers.

However I thin it had turned and he would have got the stoppage in next round or so.

Wasn't his fault but he has to give the rematch or retire (Lewis - Vitali option really)

It would look real bad if he doesn't give a rematch.. People are going to question that victory forever

[Dark Lord Al]

Styles make fights , Froch has always been easy to hit , Groves fought a good fight , and well the stoppage was a joke.

[powerpuncher]

i just dont see how froch looked any different than normal. groves was just sharper and landed better counters. the difference between this fight and his other fights against counter punchers is that groves hits hard. he made froch fight more timid. i think that groves was just the better man in the ring. i dont think it had anything to do with froch getting old. just like when he fought kessler this last time. froch won but still had a tough time against somebody who was a little sharper than him and was willing to exchange. groves just happened to be a better version of kessler.

[Beanz]

i just dont see how froch looked any different than normal. groves was just sharper and landed better counters. the difference between this fight and his other fights against counter punchers is that groves hits hard. he made froch fight more timid. i think that groves was just the better man in the ring. i dont think it had anything to do with froch getting old. just like when he fought kessler this last time. froch won but still had a tough time against somebody who was a little sharper than him and was willing to exchange. groves just happened to be a better version of kessler.

He kept Kessler on the End of his jab and Mikkel indulged him. Groves was having none of it, the difference is huge. Froch didn't just look old he looked confused, out of ideas and clearly scared at points. I don't think he is frightened of anybody but the thought of the embarrassment he would suffer (after all his mouth in the build up) should what he thought was impossible come true, was his downfall. Carl dug his own trap to fall into and used the stuff he dug out to build another mountain to climb afterwards.

[powerpuncher]

i just dont see how froch looked any different than normal. groves was just sharper and landed better counters. the difference between this fight and his other fights against counter punchers is that groves hits hard. he made froch fight more timid. i think that groves was just the better man in the ring. i dont think it had anything to do with froch getting old. just like when he fought kessler this last time. froch won but still had a tough time against somebody who was a little sharper than him and was willing to exchange. groves just happened to be a better version of kessler.

He kept Kessler on the End of his jab and Mikkel indulged him. Groves was having none of it, the difference is huge. Froch didn't just look old he looked confused, out of ideas and clearly scared at points. I don't think he is frightened of anybody but the thought of the embarrassment he would suffer (after all his mouth in the build up) should what he thought was impossible come true, was his downfall. Carl dug his own trap to fall into and used the stuff he dug out to build another mountain to climb afterwards.

thats why i said the difference was that groves was sharper than kessler was. so basically, froch had a tough time against an aged kessler and groves was significantly better than that version of kessler.

[greynotsoold]

i just dont see how froch looked any different than normal. groves was just sharper and landed better counters. the difference between this fight and his other fights against counter punchers is that groves hits hard. he made froch fight more timid. i think that groves was just the better man in the ring. i dont think it had anything to do with froch getting old. just like when he fought kessler this last time. froch won but still had a tough time against somebody who was a little sharper than him and was willing to exchange. groves just happened to be a better version of kessler.

He kept Kessler on the End of his jab and Mikkel indulged him. Groves was having none of it, the difference is huge. Froch didn't just look old he looked confused, out of ideas and clearly scared at points. I don't think he is frightened of anybody but the thought of the embarrassment he would suffer (after all his mouth in the build up) should what he thought was impossible come true, was his downfall. Carl dug his own trap to fall into and used the stuff he dug out to build another mountain to climb afterwards.

thats why i said the difference was that groves was sharper than kessler was. so basically, froch had a tough time against an aged kessler and groves was significantly better than that version of kessler.

Groves was keying more off the right hand of froch than off his jab, at least early on.

[0james0]

Its styles though, Froch is comfortable fighting a Kessler fight, less thinking, more brawling. It wasn't until he was nicely beat up did he come alive against Groves.

On the knock down he was positioned horribly. It was like watching Hatton all over again. The big, invincible, I AM. Then he gets nailed.

Froch took some huge shots in there, the more he took, the stronger he seemed to become. Massive overhand rights to the chin and he started to just walk through them, when he's in rage mode, there aren't many better. The problem is he doesn't seem to have a boxing brain, to adapt and box, only once have I ever thought he tactically outsmarted another fighter. Other than that he just windmills through.

I actually think De Gale would give Froch fits as well, simply because of style. He would expose all of those massive flaws all over again. Where as GGG, who most would say was better, could possibly suit Froch more as he would be ready to war as well.

[denilson200]

Its styles though, Froch is comfortable fighting a Kessler fight, less thinking, more brawling. It wasn't until he was nicely beat up did he come alive against Groves.

On the knock down he was positioned horribly. It was like watching Hatton all over again. The big, invincible, I AM. Then he gets nailed.

Froch took some huge shots in there, the more he took, the stronger he seemed to become. Massive overhand rights to the chin and he started to just walk through them, when he's in rage mode, there aren't many better. The problem is he doesn't seem to have a boxing brain, to adapt and box, only once have I ever thought he tactically outsmarted another fighter. Other than that he just windmills through.

I actually think De Gale would give Froch fits as well, simply because of style. He would expose all of those massive flaws all over again. Where as GGG, who most would say was better, could possibly suit Froch more as he would be ready to war as well.

True. As I said in another post. Groves performance against Froch makes DeGales performance against Groves look VERY GOOD. I thought that DeGale edged the fight against Groves. Though it was very close.

I don't know where Froch can go other than a rematch with Groves because the fallout over the next weeks and months about how he was lucky and how he got outclassed by Groves will burn him up to the point where he will demand a rematch otherwise like Lennox Lewis did with Klitschko if he does not get it on against a guy many thought he was lucky to beat...it will damage his rep.

[imp]

Lets not blame froch.

Blame the ref.

Froch got the beating of his life but still came back like a champion.

Groves deserved to win and might have won if not for the stoppage.

We all know froch is in his prime in the championship rounds and WAS starting to improve.

Froch looked like he came from the pub tonight and straight in the ring.

He was slow, nervous and awkard.

Groves made him that way though.

What a great future groves has...

[Dropanuke]

Toe it seemed as though froch wasn't even there.
It was the froch that fought taylor I saw the other night.

The new froch who beat bute was sharp. Wasn't the same on Saturday.

The stoppage was on its way but sure we won't ever know.

Some people think that groves was in position with his wits to suddenly move out the way! Froch was ripe at that point and to me groves was downhill!!

I wonder how groves made that huge gash on the back of carl head as the world thinks groves didn't hit carl
Twice with haymakers to the back of his head

[FinitoElDinamita]

Toe it seemed as though froch wasn't even there.
It was the froch that fought taylor I saw the other night.

The new froch who beat bute was sharp. Wasn't the same on Saturday.

The stoppage was on its way but sure we won't ever know.

Some people think that groves was in position with his wits to suddenly move out the way! Froch was ripe at that point and to me groves was downhill!!

I wonder how groves made that huge gash on the back of carl head as the world thinks groves didn't hit carl
Twice with haymakers to the back of his head

Froch looked like a killer against bute but maybe that was because bute wasnt that great to begin with?

He got knocked out by C level andrade unofficially..

[Dropanuke]

I know what everyone's saying but is everyone trying to say that froch wssnt gonna get the stoppage?
Why was groves covering up like Abraham tight against the ropes?
Why did froch fight back when hit but groves didn't?
Those shots at the stoppage were crushing groves as the ropes help him up!!

His head was going back like butes? Did nobody see that? It's hard to see as all the eyes are on the punches groves landed and not on what froch was landing to the sides and body up
Close from round 2.

The stoppage was early but people gotta give froch a break as he was coming on and very strong and by that time knew he had taken George's biggest and best but had yet done his best which was seconds from coming!
Just really think groves was on his way out due to using up everything trying to get froch out in the first half.

I also think carl turned up unprepared and thinking he had it in a bag.

[armin]

I know what everyone's saying but is everyone trying to say that froch wssnt gonna get the stoppage?
Why was groves covering up like Abraham tight against the ropes?
Why did froch fight back when hit but groves didn't?
Those shots at the stoppage were crushing groves as the ropes help him up!!

His head was going back like butes? Did nobody see that? It's hard to see as all the eyes are on the punches groves landed and not on what froch was landing to the sides and body up
Close from round 2.

The stoppage was early but people gotta give froch a break as he was coming on and very strong and by that time knew he had taken George's biggest and best but had yet done his best which was seconds from coming!
Just really think groves was on his way out due to using up everything trying to get froch out in the first half.

I also think carl turned up unprepared and thinking he had it in a bag.

oh froch was getting that stoppage before the fight was pver but let him get it legit, the stoppage was shit

[Silkeyjoe]

I had Froch 5 down and all over the place getting old and no answers.

However I thin it had turned and he would have got the stoppage in next round or so.

Wasn't his fault but he has to give the rematch or retire (Lewis - Vitali option really)

It would look real bad if he doesn't give a rematch.. People are going to question that victory forever

Rematch or retire is pathetic. Ruined Lewis' image in my mind. He should rematch or fight another top fighter eg Ward, GGG or someone coming down from light heavy. Retire just shows he knows he got lucky and doesnt have it in him any more, just like Lewis.