No standing 8 counts in ANY championship fights. Froch - Groves related.

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WHY SHOULD GROVES HAVE GOT A STANDING 8 COUNT AND WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TAKEN A KNEE?

as far as i can see the fight hadnt got to that point

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WHY SHOULD GROVES HAVE GOT A STANDING 8 COUNT AND WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TAKEN A KNEE?

as far as i can see the fight hadnt got to that point

Whether he was hurt or not, he was showing signs of distress, falling back and covering up and had taken flush shots. Regardless, it was a quick stoppage but how does anyone define quick?

The refs job is to protect both fighters and it is left up to his discretion to decide when he thinks any fighter has to be protected. Yes I agree it was quick. If all fights were stopped as quick, Gatti Ward and Corralles Castillio would not have been the fghts they were.

Groves needs to learn now that he has to bluff that hes in total control. Rather than put gloves up in his face and bounce off the ropes like Bute did, grab Froch, turn him, anything to keep the ref at bay or even to get the ref to intervene and buy time.

It was stopped quick but how quick? It may have only been another shot or two but really its Groves fault for giving any reason for the ref to do what Froch and Hearn wanted him to.

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WHY SHOULD GROVES HAVE GOT A STANDING 8 COUNT AND WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TAKEN A KNEE?

as far as i can see the fight hadnt got to that point

Whether he was hurt or not, he was showing signs of distress, falling back and covering up and had taken flush shots. Regardless, it was a quick stoppage but how does anyone define quick?

The refs job is to protect both fighters and it is left up to his discretion to decide when he thinks any fighter has to be protected. Yes I agree it was quick. If all fights were stopped as quick, Gatti Ward and Corralles Castillio would not have been the fghts they were.

Groves needs to learn now that he has to bluff that hes in total control. Rather than put gloves up in his face and bounce off the ropes like Bute did, grab Froch, turn him, anything to keep the ref at bay or even to get the ref to intervene and buy time.

It was stopped quick but how quick? It may have only been another shot or two but really its Groves fault for giving any reason for the ref to do what Froch and Hearn wanted him to.

yes he was going through an uncomfortable moment

not one where he was ready to go down so he didnt need a standing 8 count nor to take a knee

and he definately didnt need to be stopped

groves didnt give a reason he had his hands up and was throwing back

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WHY SHOULD GROVES HAVE GOT A STANDING 8 COUNT AND WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TAKEN A KNEE?

as far as i can see the fight hadnt got to that point

Whether he was hurt or not, he was showing signs of distress, falling back and covering up and had taken flush shots. Regardless, it was a quick stoppage but how does anyone define quick?

The refs job is to protect both fighters and it is left up to his discretion to decide when he thinks any fighter has to be protected. Yes I agree it was quick. If all fights were stopped as quick, Gatti Ward and Corralles Castillio would not have been the fghts they were.

Groves needs to learn now that he has to bluff that hes in total control. Rather than put gloves up in his face and bounce off the ropes like Bute did, grab Froch, turn him, anything to keep the ref at bay or even to get the ref to intervene and buy time.

It was stopped quick but how quick? It may have only been another shot or two but really its Groves fault for giving any reason for the ref to do what Froch and Hearn wanted him to.

yes he was going through an uncomfortable moment

not one where he was ready to go down so he didnt need a standing 8 count nor to take a knee

and he definately didnt need to be stopped

groves didnt give a reason he had his hands up and was throwing back

We will never know now but there is the possibility that when the ref grabbed George he was going to administer an 8 count but when he felt Georges weight sag in to him he decided to stop it. I still dont agree with it but because things like a fighters wellfare and scoring are a matter of opinion judges and refs are left to give their opinion and we can moan but if you look hurt a ref can stop you.

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WHY SHOULD GROVES HAVE GOT A STANDING 8 COUNT AND WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TAKEN A KNEE?

as far as i can see the fight hadnt got to that point

Whether he was hurt or not, he was showing signs of distress, falling back and covering up and had taken flush shots. Regardless, it was a quick stoppage but how does anyone define quick?

The refs job is to protect both fighters and it is left up to his discretion to decide when he thinks any fighter has to be protected. Yes I agree it was quick. If all fights were stopped as quick, Gatti Ward and Corralles Castillio would not have been the fghts they were.

Groves needs to learn now that he has to bluff that hes in total control. Rather than put gloves up in his face and bounce off the ropes like Bute did, grab Froch, turn him, anything to keep the ref at bay or even to get the ref to intervene and buy time.

It was stopped quick but how quick? It may have only been another shot or two but really its Groves fault for giving any reason for the ref to do what Froch and Hearn wanted him to.

yes he was going through an uncomfortable moment

not one where he was ready to go down so he didnt need a standing 8 count nor to take a knee

and he definately didnt need to be stopped

groves didnt give a reason he had his hands up and was throwing back

We will never know now but there is the possibility that when the ref grabbed George he was going to administer an 8 count but when he felt Georges weight sag in to him he decided to stop it. I still dont agree with it but because things like a fighters wellfare and scoring are a matter of opinion judges and refs are left to give their opinion and we can moan but if you look hurt a ref can stop you.

yes it was a bad stoppage but it was made in a split second but a human who made a mistake, fair enough

still, why should groves have taken a knee or got an 8 count any less or any more than being stopped

he was still well in a fight that could have gone either way

i wouldnt take a knee in a fight i was winning when i wasnt in distress, nor would i expect an 8 count, nor would i expect to be stopped

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WHY SHOULD GROVES HAVE GOT A STANDING 8 COUNT AND WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TAKEN A KNEE?

as far as i can see the fight hadnt got to that point

Whether he was hurt or not, he was showing signs of distress, falling back and covering up and had taken flush shots. Regardless, it was a quick stoppage but how does anyone define quick?

The refs job is to protect both fighters and it is left up to his discretion to decide when he thinks any fighter has to be protected. Yes I agree it was quick. If all fights were stopped as quick, Gatti Ward and Corralles Castillio would not have been the fghts they were.

Groves needs to learn now that he has to bluff that hes in total control. Rather than put gloves up in his face and bounce off the ropes like Bute did, grab Froch, turn him, anything to keep the ref at bay or even to get the ref to intervene and buy time.

It was stopped quick but how quick? It may have only been another shot or two but really its Groves fault for giving any reason for the ref to do what Froch and Hearn wanted him to.

yes he was going through an uncomfortable moment

not one where he was ready to go down so he didnt need a standing 8 count nor to take a knee

and he definately didnt need to be stopped

groves didnt give a reason he had his hands up and was throwing back

We will never know now but there is the possibility that when the ref grabbed George he was going to administer an 8 count but when he felt Georges weight sag in to him he decided to stop it. I still dont agree with it but because things like a fighters wellfare and scoring are a matter of opinion judges and refs are left to give their opinion and we can moan but if you look hurt a ref can stop you.

yes it was a bad stoppage but it was made in a split second but a human who made a mistake, fair enough

still, why should groves have taken a knee or got an 8 count any less or any more than being stopped

he was still well in a fight that could have gone either way

i wouldnt take a knee in a fight i was winning when i wasnt in distress, nor would i expect an 8 count, nor would i expect to be stopped

Then you wouldnt have been taught boxing very well by your coach or manager. They will tell you, defend yourself at all times, dont give the ref the opportunity to step in, especially against a big name.

Groves looked as though he stumbled just as Foster was stepping in.

Foster had watch a sure footed Groves skip out of danger most of the night and all of a sudden he looked vulnerable and as he has admitted himself he bacame a victim of both fighters reps.

Until judging a reffing has a proper points system in the pros rather than open to differing opinions fighters will need to learn to impose the impression that they are in control and dominating.

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WHY SHOULD GROVES HAVE GOT A STANDING 8 COUNT AND WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TAKEN A KNEE?

as far as i can see the fight hadnt got to that point

Whether he was hurt or not, he was showing signs of distress, falling back and covering up and had taken flush shots. Regardless, it was a quick stoppage but how does anyone define quick?

The refs job is to protect both fighters and it is left up to his discretion to decide when he thinks any fighter has to be protected. Yes I agree it was quick. If all fights were stopped as quick, Gatti Ward and Corralles Castillio would not have been the fghts they were.

Groves needs to learn now that he has to bluff that hes in total control. Rather than put gloves up in his face and bounce off the ropes like Bute did, grab Froch, turn him, anything to keep the ref at bay or even to get the ref to intervene and buy time.

It was stopped quick but how quick? It may have only been another shot or two but really its Groves fault for giving any reason for the ref to do what Froch and Hearn wanted him to.

yes he was going through an uncomfortable moment

not one where he was ready to go down so he didnt need a standing 8 count nor to take a knee

and he definately didnt need to be stopped

groves didnt give a reason he had his hands up and was throwing back

We will never know now but there is the possibility that when the ref grabbed George he was going to administer an 8 count but when he felt Georges weight sag in to him he decided to stop it. I still dont agree with it but because things like a fighters wellfare and scoring are a matter of opinion judges and refs are left to give their opinion and we can moan but if you look hurt a ref can stop you.

yes it was a bad stoppage but it was made in a split second but a human who made a mistake, fair enough

still, why should groves have taken a knee or got an 8 count any less or any more than being stopped

he was still well in a fight that could have gone either way

i wouldnt take a knee in a fight i was winning when i wasnt in distress, nor would i expect an 8 count, nor would i expect to be stopped

Then you wouldnt have been taught boxing very well by your coach or manager. They will tell you, defend yourself at all times, dont give the ref the opportunity to step in, especially against a big name.

Groves looked as though he stumbled just as Foster was stepping in.

Foster had watch a sure footed Groves skip out of danger most of the night and all of a sudden he looked vulnerable and as he has admitted himself he bacame a victim of both fighters reps.

Until judging a reffing has a proper points system in the pros rather than open to differing opinions fighters will need to learn to impose the impression that they are in control and dominating.

i wouldnt want my coach/manager/best mate to tell me to take a knee when im not hurt, would you?