Forget the rematch , Hearn to meet HBO next week

[erics44]

I think it sucks that they aren't trying to give Groves the rematch he deserves.

I think it's great news that Groves isn't getting the rematch. he wouldn't get a fair shake against Hearns' cash cow, That's already proven. He's a free agent, he should be looking to get the promoter who can deliver a shot at Stieglitz's WBO Title. He's next in line on their rankings after Abraham and Abraham has already been KO'd by him 6 months ago.No Guarantees that he beats him, but at least he won't get robbed.
As for Froch, I know Amir Khan has his own agenda, but one thing he said I agree with: whoever Froch fights next, he gets beat. I personally think HBO will see Froch as an easy title to get to enhance the credibility of either GGG or Chavez jr. Froch has been exposed big time!

what exactly has froch been exposed as?

[Primo Carnera]

I think it sucks that they aren't trying to give Groves the rematch he deserves.

I think it's great news that Groves isn't getting the rematch. he wouldn't get a fair shake against Hearns' cash cow, That's already proven. He's a free agent, he should be looking to get the promoter who can deliver a shot at Stieglitz's WBO Title. He's next in line on their rankings after Abraham and Abraham has already been KO'd by him 6 months ago.No Guarantees that he beats him, but at least he won't get robbed.
As for Froch, I know Amir Khan has his own agenda, but one thing he said I agree with: whoever Froch fights next, he gets beat. I personally think HBO will see Froch as an easy title to get to enhance the credibility of either GGG or Chavez jr. Froch has been exposed big time!

what exactly has froch been exposed as?

Slow
Flat Footed
Susceptible to the big overhand Right
Generally easy to hit.
Inability to throw decent combinations - see flat footed
Resort to Dirty tactics when desperate (forearms , elbows, hitting on the break, etc.) - I actually think this also shows good character that he doesn't want to lose to be fair.

And the only other thing he's got going for him is an undoubted granite chin! but you don't win fights by TAKING Punches.
let's not forget that before the fight , "Groves didn't deserve to be in the same ring , would run all night and was definitely getting flattened early GUARANTEED!"

[erics44]

I think it sucks that they aren't trying to give Groves the rematch he deserves.

I think it's great news that Groves isn't getting the rematch. he wouldn't get a fair shake against Hearns' cash cow, That's already proven. He's a free agent, he should be looking to get the promoter who can deliver a shot at Stieglitz's WBO Title. He's next in line on their rankings after Abraham and Abraham has already been KO'd by him 6 months ago.No Guarantees that he beats him, but at least he won't get robbed.
As for Froch, I know Amir Khan has his own agenda, but one thing he said I agree with: whoever Froch fights next, he gets beat. I personally think HBO will see Froch as an easy title to get to enhance the credibility of either GGG or Chavez jr. Froch has been exposed big time!

what exactly has froch been exposed as?

Slow
Flat Footed
Susceptible to the big overhand Right
Generally easy to hit.
Inability to throw decent combinations - see flat footed
Resort to Dirty tactics when desperate (forearms , elbows, hitting on the break, etc.) - I actually think this also shows good character that he doesn't want to lose to be fair.

And the only other thing he's got going for him is an undoubted granite chin! but you don't win fights by TAKING Punches.
let's not forget that before the fight , "Groves didn't deserve to be in the same ring , would run all night and was definitely getting flattened early GUARANTEED!"

was he exposed as all these against pascal, taylor, kessler, abraham, johnson, bute?

[Primo Carnera]

I think it sucks that they aren't trying to give Groves the rematch he deserves.

I think it's great news that Groves isn't getting the rematch. he wouldn't get a fair shake against Hearns' cash cow, That's already proven. He's a free agent, he should be looking to get the promoter who can deliver a shot at Stieglitz's WBO Title. He's next in line on their rankings after Abraham and Abraham has already been KO'd by him 6 months ago.No Guarantees that he beats him, but at least he won't get robbed.
As for Froch, I know Amir Khan has his own agenda, but one thing he said I agree with: whoever Froch fights next, he gets beat. I personally think HBO will see Froch as an easy title to get to enhance the credibility of either GGG or Chavez jr. Froch has been exposed big time!

what exactly has froch been exposed as?

Slow
Flat Footed
Susceptible to the big overhand Right
Generally easy to hit.
Inability to throw decent combinations - see flat footed
Resort to Dirty tactics when desperate (forearms , elbows, hitting on the break, etc.) - I actually think this also shows good character that he doesn't want to lose to be fair.

And the only other thing he's got going for him is an undoubted granite chin! but you don't win fights by TAKING Punches.
let's not forget that before the fight , "Groves didn't deserve to be in the same ring , would run all night and was definitely getting flattened early GUARANTEED!"

was he exposed as all these against pascal, taylor, kessler, abraham, johnson, bute?

Well actually, yes.
Pascal- before he fought Froch, what had he actually done?
Taylor- a quicker man moving up a weight who for 11 rounds and 2 mins 46secs outboxed Froch.
Kessler- 1st fight yes, 2nd fight was more about how much Kessler had deteriorated.
Abraham- blown up Middleweight who got schooled by Andre Dirrell in the fight before Froch. By the way, I notice you never mentioned Dirrell, because he outboxed Froch as well.
Johnson- he struggled against a tough old man, and Groves beat Johnson better than Froch did.
Bute- that is the one on your list I cannot really pick holes in.
My point is that whether you agree with me or not, there are question marks about all of them. I've got to say in his defence , his chin is amazing and he's never ducked anyone.

[Kirkland Laing]

he's never ducked anyone.

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[erics44]

I think it sucks that they aren't trying to give Groves the rematch he deserves.

I think it's great news that Groves isn't getting the rematch. he wouldn't get a fair shake against Hearns' cash cow, That's already proven. He's a free agent, he should be looking to get the promoter who can deliver a shot at Stieglitz's WBO Title. He's next in line on their rankings after Abraham and Abraham has already been KO'd by him 6 months ago.No Guarantees that he beats him, but at least he won't get robbed.
As for Froch, I know Amir Khan has his own agenda, but one thing he said I agree with: whoever Froch fights next, he gets beat. I personally think HBO will see Froch as an easy title to get to enhance the credibility of either GGG or Chavez jr. Froch has been exposed big time!

what exactly has froch been exposed as?

Slow
Flat Footed
Susceptible to the big overhand Right
Generally easy to hit.
Inability to throw decent combinations - see flat footed
Resort to Dirty tactics when desperate (forearms , elbows, hitting on the break, etc.) - I actually think this also shows good character that he doesn't want to lose to be fair.

And the only other thing he's got going for him is an undoubted granite chin! but you don't win fights by TAKING Punches.
let's not forget that before the fight , "Groves didn't deserve to be in the same ring , would run all night and was definitely getting flattened early GUARANTEED!"

was he exposed as all these against pascal, taylor, kessler, abraham, johnson, bute?

Well actually, yes.
Pascal- before he fought Froch, what had he actually done?
Taylor- a quicker man moving up a weight who for 11 rounds and 2 mins 46secs outboxed Froch.
Kessler- 1st fight yes, 2nd fight was more about how much Kessler had deteriorated.
Abraham- blown up Middleweight who got schooled by Andre Dirrell in the fight before Froch. By the way, I notice you never mentioned Dirrell, because he outboxed Froch as well.
Johnson- he struggled against a tough old man, and Groves beat Johnson better than Froch did.
Bute- that is the one on your list I cannot really pick holes in.
My point is that whether you agree with me or not, there are question marks about all of them. I've got to say in his defence , his chin is amazing and he's never ducked anyone.

which fighters do you see as having a better record than froch?

[ono]

Froch can do what he wants. He's fought practically everyone in his division and has been the underdog several times. A good few have been fight of the year candidates. In his eyes, he won fair and square. If he wants a mega fight in Vegas against somebody like Golovkin or Chavez, as a fan, i'll be just as excited about it as i would a rematch with Groves. Groves didn't put him away after 8 rounds of domination and judging by the fact that he spent almost the entirety of round 9 hurt (there was a 45 second or so burst from Froch which had Groves clinging on before the stoppage), i'd estimate that Groves would have been lucky to get anywhere near the final bell. The stoppage was premature, but what did it delay? Froch had found a way to get to him and he had another 10 or so minutes to do so. He doesn't let people off the hook, and Groves' survival skills looked awful. It's obviously conjecture and speculation, and i do feel Foster robbed us of a definitive ending to the fight, but the way people are going on about it on here is laughable. Froch doesn't owe anyone anything. He's given us more than enough. What he does next will be 100% his choice and so it should be.

[Primo Carnera]

I think it sucks that they aren't trying to give Groves the rematch he deserves.

I think it's great news that Groves isn't getting the rematch. he wouldn't get a fair shake against Hearns' cash cow, That's already proven. He's a free agent, he should be looking to get the promoter who can deliver a shot at Stieglitz's WBO Title. He's next in line on their rankings after Abraham and Abraham has already been KO'd by him 6 months ago.No Guarantees that he beats him, but at least he won't get robbed.
As for Froch, I know Amir Khan has his own agenda, but one thing he said I agree with: whoever Froch fights next, he gets beat. I personally think HBO will see Froch as an easy title to get to enhance the credibility of either GGG or Chavez jr. Froch has been exposed big time!

what exactly has froch been exposed as?

Slow
Flat Footed
Susceptible to the big overhand Right
Generally easy to hit.
Inability to throw decent combinations - see flat footed
Resort to Dirty tactics when desperate (forearms , elbows, hitting on the break, etc.) - I actually think this also shows good character that he doesn't want to lose to be fair.

And the only other thing he's got going for him is an undoubted granite chin! but you don't win fights by TAKING Punches.
let's not forget that before the fight , "Groves didn't deserve to be in the same ring , would run all night and was definitely getting flattened early GUARANTEED!"

was he exposed as all these against pascal, taylor, kessler, abraham, johnson, bute?

Well actually, yes.
Pascal- before he fought Froch, what had he actually done?
Taylor- a quicker man moving up a weight who for 11 rounds and 2 mins 46secs outboxed Froch.
Kessler- 1st fight yes, 2nd fight was more about how much Kessler had deteriorated.
Abraham- blown up Middleweight who got schooled by Andre Dirrell in the fight before Froch. By the way, I notice you never mentioned Dirrell, because he outboxed Froch as well.
Johnson- he struggled against a tough old man, and Groves beat Johnson better than Froch did.
Bute- that is the one on your list I cannot really pick holes in.
My point is that whether you agree with me or not, there are question marks about all of them. I've got to say in his defence , his chin is amazing and he's never ducked anyone.

which fighters do you see as having a better record than froch?

British past or present or world past or present? and super middle or any weight? It's a pretty open question.

[Master]

Froch needs to maximise his money and fighting in the Vegas is probably the way to go. He has very little chance against Ward and should aim for Junior and let the interest for a rematch build up against Groves even more.

[erics44]

I think it sucks that they aren't trying to give Groves the rematch he deserves.

I think it's great news that Groves isn't getting the rematch. he wouldn't get a fair shake against Hearns' cash cow, That's already proven. He's a free agent, he should be looking to get the promoter who can deliver a shot at Stieglitz's WBO Title. He's next in line on their rankings after Abraham and Abraham has already been KO'd by him 6 months ago.No Guarantees that he beats him, but at least he won't get robbed.
As for Froch, I know Amir Khan has his own agenda, but one thing he said I agree with: whoever Froch fights next, he gets beat. I personally think HBO will see Froch as an easy title to get to enhance the credibility of either GGG or Chavez jr. Froch has been exposed big time!

what exactly has froch been exposed as?

Slow
Flat Footed
Susceptible to the big overhand Right
Generally easy to hit.
Inability to throw decent combinations - see flat footed
Resort to Dirty tactics when desperate (forearms , elbows, hitting on the break, etc.) - I actually think this also shows good character that he doesn't want to lose to be fair.

And the only other thing he's got going for him is an undoubted granite chin! but you don't win fights by TAKING Punches.
let's not forget that before the fight , "Groves didn't deserve to be in the same ring , would run all night and was definitely getting flattened early GUARANTEED!"

was he exposed as all these against pascal, taylor, kessler, abraham, johnson, bute?

Well actually, yes.
Pascal- before he fought Froch, what had he actually done?
Taylor- a quicker man moving up a weight who for 11 rounds and 2 mins 46secs outboxed Froch.
Kessler- 1st fight yes, 2nd fight was more about how much Kessler had deteriorated.
Abraham- blown up Middleweight who got schooled by Andre Dirrell in the fight before Froch. By the way, I notice you never mentioned Dirrell, because he outboxed Froch as well.
Johnson- he struggled against a tough old man, and Groves beat Johnson better than Froch did.
Bute- that is the one on your list I cannot really pick holes in.
My point is that whether you agree with me or not, there are question marks about all of them. I've got to say in his defence , his chin is amazing and he's never ducked anyone.

which fighters do you see as having a better record than froch?

British past or present or world past or present? and super middle or any weight? It's a pretty open question.

i like it that wy, you can chose anyone anywhere anytime, the floor is yours

[Gandalf]

I think it sucks that they aren't trying to give Groves the rematch he deserves.

I think it's great news that Groves isn't getting the rematch. he wouldn't get a fair shake against Hearns' cash cow, That's already proven. He's a free agent, he should be looking to get the promoter who can deliver a shot at Stieglitz's WBO Title. He's next in line on their rankings after Abraham and Abraham has already been KO'd by him 6 months ago.No Guarantees that he beats him, but at least he won't get robbed.
As for Froch, I know Amir Khan has his own agenda, but one thing he said I agree with: whoever Froch fights next, he gets beat. I personally think HBO will see Froch as an easy title to get to enhance the credibility of either GGG or Chavez jr. Froch has been exposed big time!

what exactly has froch been exposed as?

Slow
Flat Footed
Susceptible to the big overhand Right
Generally easy to hit.
Inability to throw decent combinations - see flat footed
Resort to Dirty tactics when desperate (forearms , elbows, hitting on the break, etc.) - I actually think this also shows good character that he doesn't want to lose to be fair.

And the only other thing he's got going for him is an undoubted granite chin! but you don't win fights by TAKING Punches.
let's not forget that before the fight , "Groves didn't deserve to be in the same ring , would run all night and was definitely getting flattened early GUARANTEED!"

You are 100% correct.

Froch running for a fight with Ward on the back of a humiliating loss is an absurdity. Froch should be ashamed and Hearn should be investigated for crimes against the English public. Rematch and nothing else.

Hearn should be criminally investigated. Every fight of his should have a thread questioning its validity. Corruption is allowed by ignoring it, it should be constantly checked.

[Memphis]

Froch 2 or 3 fights away from retirement has ben exposed as a bit shit, a bit of a plodder but a right hard cunt

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