Forget the rematch , Hearn to meet HBO next week

[Gandalf]

This Froch superstar rubbish needs to stop. He lost this fight clearly, he lost to Ward clearly, his major wins are against chinny Bute, hands up Abraham, chinny Taylor, road horse Johnson, Kessler after he was old enough, and that is Froch for you. Calzaghe would have humiliated him, rubbed his weirdly long nose in shame, and it would have been done with, but instead Froch is supposedly in talks for a money fight after that? It's a disgrace.

Hearn and Froch need to be slapped with a kipper simultaneously whilst Grove gets the money fight.

[Memphis]

This Froch superstar rubbish needs to stop. He lost this fight clearly, he lost to Ward clearly, his major wins are against chinny Bute, hands up Abraham, chinny Taylor, road horse Johnson, Kessler after he was old enough, and that is Froch for you. Calzaghe would have humiliated him, rubbed his weirdly long nose in shame, and it would have been done with, but instead Froch is supposedly in talks for a money fight after that? It's a disgrace.

Hearn and Froch need to be slapped with a kipper simultaneously whilst Grove gets the money fight.

Who said Froch was a superstar? He thinks he is no doubt but who here says that?

[Gandalf]

This Froch superstar rubbish needs to stop. He lost this fight clearly, he lost to Ward clearly, his major wins are against chinny Bute, hands up Abraham, chinny Taylor, road horse Johnson, Kessler after he was old enough, and that is Froch for you. Calzaghe would have humiliated him, rubbed his weirdly long nose in shame, and it would have been done with, but instead Froch is supposedly in talks for a money fight after that? It's a disgrace.

Hearn and Froch need to be slapped with a kipper simultaneously whilst Grove gets the money fight.

Who said Froch was a superstar? He thinks he is no doubt but who here says that?

Froch has said he is and nobody in this thread has said that, but I have been bottling up my Froch views for several days. There are plenty of people defending the superstar stoppage and I find that appalling. Groves kicked his bum in an exceptional manner. I find it awful that the British Don King is negotiating a fight with others after this.

Froch = Liar
Hearn = Liar
Froch + Hearn = Good friends

HBO please tell them to fuck off.

[IamInuit]

Who said Froch was a superstar? He thinks he is no doubt but who here says that?

Froch has said he is and nobody in this thread has said that, but I have been bottling up my Froch views for several days. There are plenty of people defending the superstar stoppage and I find that appalling. Groves kicked his bum in an exceptional manner. I find it awful that the British Don King is negotiating a fight with others after this.

Froch = Liar
Hearn = Liar
Froch + Hearn = Good friends

HBO please tell them to fuck off.

I hear what you are saying. Thing is Hearn and maybe Froch himself must realize after that shellacking that he could lose the big pay day if he fights him a second time. He's a product of this environment after all and their reasoning fits with this eras version of "risk and reward." He's no different then most others. Rematching is not an exact science. Timing can be crucial and economics is the engine not legacy. The decision not to do an immediate rematch when it looked warranted certainly didn't begin with Hearn and Froch. Its happened countless times. Carl is at the end of his career and if anything sustained that for him, it was last week. He probably thought he was going to wreck the kid like everyone else did and trained accordingly. In the end he may be forced to fight Groves again but he's definitely in cash out mode. Ward might just shrug and freeze him out.

[ono]

Who said Froch was a superstar? He thinks he is no doubt but who here says that?

Froch has said he is and nobody in this thread has said that, but I have been bottling up my Froch views for several days. There are plenty of people defending the superstar stoppage and I find that appalling. Groves kicked his bum in an exceptional manner. I find it awful that the British Don King is negotiating a fight with others after this.

Froch = Liar
Hearn = Liar
Froch + Hearn = Good friends

HBO please tell them to fuck off.

I hear what you are saying. Thing is Hearn and maybe Froch himself must realize after that shellacking that he could lose the big pay day if he fights him a second time. He's a product of this environment after all and their reasoning fits with this eras version of "risk and reward." He's no different then most others. Rematching is not an exact science. Timing can be crucial and economics is the engine not legacy. The decision not to do an immediate rematch when it looked warranted certainly didn't begin with Hearn and Froch. Its happened countless times. Carl is at the end of his career and if anything sustained that for him, it was last week. He probably thought he was going to wreck the kid like everyone else did and trained accordingly. In the end he may be forced to fight Groves again but he's definitely in cash out mode. Ward might just shrug and freeze him out.

Eddie Hearn is a business man. Groves will ultimately end up with Hearn, as he's the biggest promoter in the UK by a mile now, and he has a total monopoly on Sky/PPV. Groves has proved he is a big star with his pre fight performance and his in the ring performance. He has 10-12 top level fights in him. Froch has maybe another couple. Why would Hearn risk a future cash cow to save the reputation of a 36 old fighter? He wouldn't. The referee stopped the fight because of the view that he had of Groves being tagged by two powerful punches. It was premature, but it had nothing to do with Eddie Hearn wanting to protect Carl Froch. It was a judgement call made by Foster.

A couple of rounds earlier, he pulled Froch off of Groves in the corner when Groves lost his balance after punching Froch behind the head. As Groves turned and backed into the ropes, Froch levelled him and rocked his head back. Foster grabbed Froch and pulled him off him. If he was a cheat, that wouldn't have happened, and i say this because upon viewing it seems it was Groves who was the one in the wrong for punching the back of Froch's head.

This reply is probably more suited towards what Miles was saying. I realised that about half way down.

[Beanz]

This Froch superstar rubbish needs to stop. He lost this fight clearly, he lost to Ward clearly, his major wins are against chinny Bute, hands up Abraham, chinny Taylor, road horse Johnson, Kessler after he was old enough, and that is Froch for you. Calzaghe would have humiliated him, rubbed his weirdly long nose in shame, and it would have been done with, but instead Froch is supposedly in talks for a money fight after that? It's a disgrace.

Hearn and Froch need to be slapped with a kipper simultaneously whilst Grove gets the money fight.

Who said Froch was a superstar? He thinks he is no doubt but who here says that?

Brian Jacks was the ultimate superstar. I was privileged to shake his little hand but he had the power of legions in it.

[ykdadamaja]

Froch is still the biggest thing in British boxing. No one else comes close. Even when Haye was HW Champion, Froch still outshined. A shame he didn't get a fight with Calzaghe- not that he would have won, but it would have been a good fight to see.

But, for Groves, if a rematch happens, it happens. The real good thing about Groves is that the doors are WIDE OPEN for him for potential match-ups with all of the names associated with the Hearn/Froch/HBO matrix.

Groves has an in-road due to his performance. That controversial loss, without it being a robbery on the cards (which seems like it would have happened IF the ref didn't decide to make it easier on the judges and take the hit himself) did more for him than anything else.

He should thank Froch that Froch decided to take a chance and fight him, seeing how he trounced Degale- someone who folks thought had more pedigree and skill-sets than Groves.

Groves should come to the USA or go to Germany and get a good eliminator fight. It should be a good consolation, seeing that the Froch BIG JUMP UPWARDS didn't quite work out for him.