the main problem with your argument is that it is all based on what you think and has no factual evidence. you think that frazier doesnt hit harder than wlad. im not saying that you are wrong but im saying that its just an opinion that has really no weight to it. you are also forgetting that HWs wore smaller gloves back at that time too. whether or not people hit harder now, smaller gloves would probably make up the difference.

remember that williamson knocked down wlad on a counter right and he only weighed 218 pounds for the fight. ali weighed 216 for the foreman fight. williamson was 6'4 and ali was 6'3. so they were essentially the same size. and you should know that williamson should have beaten wlad on the scorecards at the time of the stoppage but wlad got a gift. williamson isnt known to have a great chin (he got KO'd in 1 round by mesi) and ali is known to be able to take punishment. also, ali is definitely faster than williamson and has a better jab and footwork. if williamson was able to outbox wlad, ali definitely would be able to.

The main problem with your counter argument is that the same reason you have tried to use against me is the reason why you are wrong. My argument is backed up by 3 different forms of evidence...

Visual evidence... Modern fighters, look better than older ones and they look like they fight better and hit harder than their older counterparts.

Anecdotal evidence... The premise that everything improves in some way over time, it's beyond all doubt that athletes are getting fitter, faster and stronger and craft is being refined as time goes by, it cannot be otherwise.

And most importantly STATISTICAL evididence... Wladimir and his opponents have higher readings in the tale of the tape, better records against opponents who are bigger and with better records and their KO ratio's against their opponents are in general much higher than Ali and his opponents.

And all this is being even MORE generous to the old timers because their division was a combination of both Cruiserweight and Heavyweight today and modern Heavies are not ALLOWED to pad their records against such opponents. Once we view their records against modern criteria we see that Frazier only won 13 fights against real HW's and Ali only 28 times! Only HALF their opponents were even HW's and the further we go back in time the worse it gets!

If you want to say they were called HW's then so it counts then you also have to include all the cruiser fights of all the former cruisers that have stepped up to HW today like Adamek and Haye today and you can see then how Frazier and even Ali would probably not be any match for David Haye!

So when different forms of evidence converge on the same thing you can be pretty sure it's true, that's what bookies do when they make odds and that's why I have a good idea when to and when not to bet on a fight and usually pick them good when I do. And could fights be staged today between fighters past and present I can tell ya not many from the 70s would have great odds on them to win my friend!

And well done, you mention a fight Wladimir won KO2 as "evidence" that he would lose to one of the most punch weak champs of all time. I think Ali might perform better, he might survive to round 4 LOL! Seriously I could just as easily state that Ali was KD by 185lb! Cooper or beaten by 197lb Spinks who Waldimir wouldn't be allowed to fight and would knock out with 1 punch if he did so there's no way by this logic that Muhammad could beat Wladimir, same goes!

I respect the old timers but their time is history!