A look at Robinson and Mayweather- Modern vs Old timers part 2!

[Max Power]

SRR is not as fast as Mayweather. His handspeed may be comparable but his timing and accuracy is not as sharp and his technique is far worse. He is taller though, but not so much taller that it will make a huge difference.

"Jake" LaMotta was nothing less than what you described for Money's opponents, he was just aggressive and strong, a bit like young Alvarez. Yet Money did what he was supposed to do to these guys.. Completely dominated them. Whilst SRR always had a tough time with LaMotta. That's because he was born about 50 years too early to learn how to keep a raging bull at bay!

[Master]

SRR at welterweight was fighting a middleweight in La Motta.

SRR could punch a lot harder than Floyd everything else would be the relatively the same which is why I see Leonard and Hearns beating him also.

[greynotsoold]

SRR is not as fast as Mayweather. His handspeed may be comparable but his timing and accuracy is not as sharp and his technique is far worse. He is taller though, but not so much taller that it will make a huge difference.

"Jake" LaMotta was nothing less than what you described for Money's opponents, he was just aggressive and strong, a bit like young Alvarez. Yet Money did what he was supposed to do to these guys.. Completely dominated them. Whilst SRR always had a tough time with LaMotta. That's because he was born about 50 years too early to learn how to keep a raging bull at bay!

Comparing LaMotta to Alvarez? Goodness. LaMotta fought guys like Bert Lytell, Lloyd marshall, Holman Williams and Teddy yarosz. Have you eard of the "Black Murderer's Row"? The black fighters everybody avoided? LaMotta fought and beat them all.
I don't know what you see when you watch a fight, what you have been taught or learned, but to compare Alvarez to La Motta, I don't understand it.

[jon09]

I can't imagine SRR not fighting Pacman, Margarito or even Tzsyu . Hell he would have fought them all in the same year probably twice. Also guys like Castillo, Hatton and even Judah gave Mayweather problems. Sugar had power in both hands a concrete chin and was never afraid to take chances. I love Money May but I feel Ray was the ultimate fighter and even entertaining outside the ropes.

[Max Power]

There is a difference between being "entertaining" and being "technically brilliant".

Punch bags are great to watch. But everybody knows that if you put a tough punch bag in front of a much more skilled fighter they live up to that label.

I think for all SRR's size advantage... Pacquiao is faster and hits harder!

SRR has power in both hands does he? He can take great punches right? THAT'S the points you choose to highlight about him, says a lot.

I see Floyd dismantling a lot of opponents at SRR's level but I see little of SRR handling anybody close to Mayweather, or most of his opponents for that matter!

[Max Power]

Again, there is far too much tolerance in the boxing world for the OTN ("Old Time Nutbag"!)

[Fenster]

I make that 2-0 to Max. You funkers need to find something? He's wiping the floor with this forum with just basic common sense.

SRR defense does look shit from the footage of him. Fact. Why would anyone dispute that?

[La Cucaracha]

@Max Power did you say Ray LoMotta? Haha your a joke Does everyone remember Roycott? I'm officially announcing Maxcott

[powerpuncher]

I make that 2-0 to Max. You funkers need to find something? He's wiping the floor with this forum with just basic common sense.

SRR defense does look shit from the footage of him. Fact. Why would anyone dispute that?

are you and max power the same person? you can be honest, i wont judge you.

[jon09]

There is a difference between being "entertaining" and being "technically brilliant".

Punch bags are great to watch. But everybody knows that if you put a tough punch bag in front of a much more skilled fighter they live up to that label.

I think for all SRR's size advantage... Pacquiao is faster and hits harder!

SRR has power in both hands does he? He can take great punches right? THAT'S the points you choose to highlight about him, says a lot.

I see Floyd dismantling a lot of opponents at SRR's level but I see little of SRR handling anybody close to Mayweather, or most of his opponents for that matter!

I said entertaining OUTSIDE the ropes such as acting and trying to sell himself to the public. And what more do you want from a fighter? I don't see anything Mayweather can do that Ray couldn't figure out either. Hell even Roger Mayweather said the body of work Robinson has done is more impressive then his nephews. And it's all matter of opinion anyways from all sides. And I'm not a nuthugger you smug douche but I do appreciate the sports past as it has paved the way for todays stars.

[Max Power]

This question is kinda stupid because none of us have seen SRR in his prime on film. I mean there is not even one film of him at ww right they all got burnt in a fire. Mayweather had trouble with semi retired Oscar and Cotto 154 not sure how he is at 160. So lets not get carried away i mean in Mayweather's prime you could argue he lost to Jlc who is not a atg. Hw thread i kinda agree with but the old 70's guys came back in the 90's and did pretty well so i think there era was pretty good don't you think guys because the 90's destroy this era we are in right now i know that much.

Ok 140, there is enough film of Robinson to see his style and make a bit of an assessment but think about what you have just said... That SRR has not been studied in prime. So that says that all the forum bashers all over the world stamp their faith in SRR as being the greatest of all time, pick him in all fights and give analysis of him based on something they haven't even seen! That's not right is it! I believe in my own 2 eyes!

@La Cucaracha

Great story man.. I will tread lightly here because we are talking about your dad now and I want to show you respect. But considering Wlad a superheavyweight gold medallist and the current and dominant HW champ of the world I can say with some certainty that your dad is not a threat to him within the rules of boxing. My position being declared, this is your father so I can only add.. I DON'T REALLY KNOW. Just as with the old timers vs the modern athletes, neither I nor anybody else can have what amounts to any "Empirical Evidence" for hypothetical match ups to back up either my view OR theirs so I guess the playing field has been levelled

As for past warriors including your dad, of course they are chiselled. I didn't mean to imply they were "soft as butter" back in the day. The boxers have always been the most Spartan conditioned of all athletes imo. As for Wlad and his modern peers compared to the old timers, I agree fully that the old guys were a "tougher breed" in a subjective sense, there's no doubt that. But I think that is not the same as in a performance or comparative advantage sense. They may have been bigger men on the inside and that does count for something!

[FinitoElDinamita]

Ray leonard is better than robinson and he sure wouldnt have lost to the part time sailors he lost to..

Old school fighters are overrated..