Nelson Mandela has died

[Gandalf]

Mandela has said himself that he did make mistakes and regrets some of his actions but without him there South Africa would have been in a worse state than it is now. The civil unrest would have been a lot worse.

Thatcher was wrong to not support sanctions and boycott South Africa.

You are all wrong to bring up his terrorism in the pretence that you think people are being hypocritical of his past. Stop trying to do a Miles, he does it with conviction and meaning – smashup you do it poorly.

Explain to everyone what you think is wrong with posting the facts that he gave orders for bombings that claimed hundreds of innocent lives?
I couldn't give a flying fuck what he did for Africa after his release, im just stating facts.

You couldn't give a damn any which way as you just stated. Those facts are something you have never looked into and never would. This issue is not on your radar.

You were simply trying to score brownie points with your 'a terrorist is a terrorist' claim but you are so pig ignorant and stupid that you cannot argue anything that you say as it was all cut and pasted. It was just "let's post the opposite of 'miles'" and in truth you cannot back it up with a view of your own.

That is why you have stayed quiet when it comes to being real about British and American governments. You are all timid and shy when it comes to serious war crimes. You care about Mandela being a terrorist and cared nothing in all the threads I have made about serious issues in our country. You don't care about terrorists, you care about brownie points, but are so absurd that you fail to see that I am beyond all human checkpoints.

What are you doing in a thread like this anyway? It's a pose, you have no interest in politics. Suddenly Mandela is an issue? At least be consistant. My point of view is reliable. Your sudden dislike of Mandela is a weirdness.

[smashup]

Mandela has said himself that he did make mistakes and regrets some of his actions but without him there South Africa would have been in a worse state than it is now. The civil unrest would have been a lot worse.

Thatcher was wrong to not support sanctions and boycott South Africa.

You are all wrong to bring up his terrorism in the pretence that you think people are being hypocritical of his past. Stop trying to do a Miles, he does it with conviction and meaning – smashup you do it poorly.

Explain to everyone what you think is wrong with posting the facts that he gave orders for bombings that claimed hundreds of innocent lives?
I couldn't give a flying fuck what he did for Africa after his release, im just stating facts.

I have stated a number of facts as well. Trying to undermine his legacy at this time is not clever.

Not a case of trying to be clever, yes he did great things post prison but It didn't and hasn't affected my life in the slightest, I doubt it has yours either.
I posted some facts that he was a terrorist which he was and to be honest that only scratches the surface of his past.

[smashup]

Mandela has said himself that he did make mistakes and regrets some of his actions but without him there South Africa would have been in a worse state than it is now. The civil unrest would have been a lot worse.

Thatcher was wrong to not support sanctions and boycott South Africa.

You are all wrong to bring up his terrorism in the pretence that you think people are being hypocritical of his past. Stop trying to do a Miles, he does it with conviction and meaning – smashup you do it poorly.

Explain to everyone what you think is wrong with posting the facts that he gave orders for bombings that claimed hundreds of innocent lives?
I couldn't give a flying fuck what he did for Africa after his release, im just stating facts.

You couldn't give a damn any which way as you just stated. Those facts are something you have never looked into and never would. This issue is not on your radar.

You were simply trying to score brownie points with your 'a terrorist is a terrorist' claim but you are so pig ignorant and stupid that you cannot argue anything that you say as it was all cut and pasted. It was just "let's post the opposite of 'miles'" and in truth you cannot back it up with a view of your own.

That is why you have stayed quiet when it comes to being real about British and American governments. You are all timid and shy when it comes to serious war crimes. You care about Mandela being a terrorist and cared nothing in all the threads I have made about serious issues in our country. You don't care about terrorists, you care about brownie points, but are so absurd that you fail to see that I am beyond all human checkpoints.

What are you doing in a thread like this anyway? It's a pose, you have no interest in politics. Suddenly Mandela is an issue? At least be consistant. My point of view is reliable. Your sudden dislike of Mandela is a weirdness.

Sudden?
Don't presume to know my thoughts on anyone.
And I don't read your posts about British or US governments because your opinions bore me and don't interest me.
I already told you this which your obviously still upset about

[Master]

Mandela has said himself that he did make mistakes and regrets some of his actions but without him there South Africa would have been in a worse state than it is now. The civil unrest would have been a lot worse.

Thatcher was wrong to not support sanctions and boycott South Africa.

You are all wrong to bring up his terrorism in the pretence that you think people are being hypocritical of his past. Stop trying to do a Miles, he does it with conviction and meaning – smashup you do it poorly.

Explain to everyone what you think is wrong with posting the facts that he gave orders for bombings that claimed hundreds of innocent lives?
I couldn't give a flying fuck what he did for Africa after his release, im just stating facts.

I have stated a number of facts as well. Trying to undermine his legacy at this time is not clever.

Not a case of trying to be clever, yes he did great things post prison but It didn't and hasn't affected my life in the slightest, I doubt it has yours either.
I posted some facts that he was a terrorist which he was and to be honest that only scratches the surface of his past.

Why mention he was a terrorist, if the post prison Mandela did not affect you then the one before the prison did not either.

[smashup]

Mandela has said himself that he did make mistakes and regrets some of his actions but without him there South Africa would have been in a worse state than it is now. The civil unrest would have been a lot worse.

Thatcher was wrong to not support sanctions and boycott South Africa.

You are all wrong to bring up his terrorism in the pretence that you think people are being hypocritical of his past. Stop trying to do a Miles, he does it with conviction and meaning – smashup you do it poorly.

Explain to everyone what you think is wrong with posting the facts that he gave orders for bombings that claimed hundreds of innocent lives?
I couldn't give a flying fuck what he did for Africa after his release, im just stating facts.

I have stated a number of facts as well. Trying to undermine his legacy at this time is not clever.

Not a case of trying to be clever, yes he did great things post prison but It didn't and hasn't affected my life in the slightest, I doubt it has yours either.
I posted some facts that he was a terrorist which he was and to be honest that only scratches the surface of his past.

Why mention he was a terrorist, if the post prison Mandela did not affect you then the one before the prison did not either.

Why not post that he was a terrorist ?
The thread is about NM and he was a terrorist.
Simple

[Master]

Mandela has said himself that he did make mistakes and regrets some of his actions but without him there South Africa would have been in a worse state than it is now. The civil unrest would have been a lot worse.

Thatcher was wrong to not support sanctions and boycott South Africa.

You are all wrong to bring up his terrorism in the pretence that you think people are being hypocritical of his past. Stop trying to do a Miles, he does it with conviction and meaning – smashup you do it poorly.

Explain to everyone what you think is wrong with posting the facts that he gave orders for bombings that claimed hundreds of innocent lives?
I couldn't give a flying fuck what he did for Africa after his release, im just stating facts.

I have stated a number of facts as well. Trying to undermine his legacy at this time is not clever.

Not a case of trying to be clever, yes he did great things post prison but It didn't and hasn't affected my life in the slightest, I doubt it has yours either.
I posted some facts that he was a terrorist which he was and to be honest that only scratches the surface of his past.

Why mention he was a terrorist, if the post prison Mandela did not affect you then the one before the prison did not either.

Why not post that he was a terrorist ?
The thread is about NM and he was a terrorist.
Simple

He was also a great man that united a nation and was a symbol of freedom from a racist society.

[VictorCharlie]

[Gandalf]

Mandela has said himself that he did make mistakes and regrets some of his actions but without him there South Africa would have been in a worse state than it is now. The civil unrest would have been a lot worse.

Thatcher was wrong to not support sanctions and boycott South Africa.

You are all wrong to bring up his terrorism in the pretence that you think people are being hypocritical of his past. Stop trying to do a Miles, he does it with conviction and meaning – smashup you do it poorly.

Explain to everyone what you think is wrong with posting the facts that he gave orders for bombings that claimed hundreds of innocent lives?
I couldn't give a flying fuck what he did for Africa after his release, im just stating facts.

You couldn't give a damn any which way as you just stated. Those facts are something you have never looked into and never would. This issue is not on your radar.

You were simply trying to score brownie points with your 'a terrorist is a terrorist' claim but you are so pig ignorant and stupid that you cannot argue anything that you say as it was all cut and pasted. It was just "let's post the opposite of 'miles'" and in truth you cannot back it up with a view of your own.

That is why you have stayed quiet when it comes to being real about British and American governments. You are all timid and shy when it comes to serious war crimes. You care about Mandela being a terrorist and cared nothing in all the threads I have made about serious issues in our country. You don't care about terrorists, you care about brownie points, but are so absurd that you fail to see that I am beyond all human checkpoints.

What are you doing in a thread like this anyway? It's a pose, you have no interest in politics. Suddenly Mandela is an issue? At least be consistant. My point of view is reliable. Your sudden dislike of Mandela is a weirdness.

Sudden?
Don't presume to know my thoughts on anyone.
And I don't read your posts about British or US governments because your opinions bore me and don't interest me.
I already told you this which your obviously still upset about

I'm so boring that you threatened to physically 'drop me'. I'm so boring that you have accused me of being a new member. I am so boring that you have accused me of being so terribly boring that my wife must be deaf.

Show me your interesting side Smashup because you are quite frankly fascinated and it inspired you politically.

[smashup]

Mandela has said himself that he did make mistakes and regrets some of his actions but without him there South Africa would have been in a worse state than it is now. The civil unrest would have been a lot worse.

Thatcher was wrong to not support sanctions and boycott South Africa.

You are all wrong to bring up his terrorism in the pretence that you think people are being hypocritical of his past. Stop trying to do a Miles, he does it with conviction and meaning – smashup you do it poorly.

Explain to everyone what you think is wrong with posting the facts that he gave orders for bombings that claimed hundreds of innocent lives?
I couldn't give a flying fuck what he did for Africa after his release, im just stating facts.

You couldn't give a damn any which way as you just stated. Those facts are something you have never looked into and never would. This issue is not on your radar.

You were simply trying to score brownie points with your 'a terrorist is a terrorist' claim but you are so pig ignorant and stupid that you cannot argue anything that you say as it was all cut and pasted. It was just "let's post the opposite of 'miles'" and in truth you cannot back it up with a view of your own.

That is why you have stayed quiet when it comes to being real about British and American governments. You are all timid and shy when it comes to serious war crimes. You care about Mandela being a terrorist and cared nothing in all the threads I have made about serious issues in our country. You don't care about terrorists, you care about brownie points, but are so absurd that you fail to see that I am beyond all human checkpoints.

What are you doing in a thread like this anyway? It's a pose, you have no interest in politics. Suddenly Mandela is an issue? At least be consistant. My point of view is reliable. Your sudden dislike of Mandela is a weirdness.

Sudden?
Don't presume to know my thoughts on anyone.
And I don't read your posts about British or US governments because your opinions bore me and don't interest me.
I already told you this which your obviously still upset about

I'm so boring that you threatened to physically 'drop me'. I'm so boring that you have accused me of being a new member. I am so boring that you have accused me of being so terribly boring that my wife must be deaf.

Show me your interesting side Smashup because you are quite frankly fascinated and it inspired you politically.

I don't have to show you shit son.
Fuck me I really did upset you
Your weakness comes from your terrible childhood you had when your family split up right?

[ryanman]

Mandela has said himself that he did make mistakes and regrets some of his actions but without him there South Africa would have been in a worse state than it is now. The civil unrest would have been a lot worse.

Thatcher was wrong to not support sanctions and boycott South Africa.

You are all wrong to bring up his terrorism in the pretence that you think people are being hypocritical of his past. Stop trying to do a Miles, he does it with conviction and meaning – smashup you do it poorly.

Explain to everyone what you think is wrong with posting the facts that he gave orders for bombings that claimed hundreds of innocent lives?
I couldn't give a flying fuck what he did for Africa after his release, im just stating facts.

You couldn't give a damn any which way as you just stated. Those facts are something you have never looked into and never would. This issue is not on your radar.

You were simply trying to score brownie points with your 'a terrorist is a terrorist' claim but you are so pig ignorant and stupid that you cannot argue anything that you say as it was all cut and pasted. It was just "let's post the opposite of 'miles'" and in truth you cannot back it up with a view of your own.

That is why you have stayed quiet when it comes to being real about British and American governments. You are all timid and shy when it comes to serious war crimes. You care about Mandela being a terrorist and cared nothing in all the threads I have made about serious issues in our country. You don't care about terrorists, you care about brownie points, but are so absurd that you fail to see that I am beyond all human checkpoints.

What are you doing in a thread like this anyway? It's a pose, you have no interest in politics. Suddenly Mandela is an issue? At least be consistant. My point of view is reliable. Your sudden dislike of Mandela is a weirdness.

Sudden?
Don't presume to know my thoughts on anyone.
And I don't read your posts about British or US governments because your opinions bore me and don't interest me.
I already told you this which your obviously still upset about

I'm so boring that you threatened to physically 'drop me'. I'm so boring that you have accused me of being a new member. I am so boring that you have accused me of being so terribly boring that my wife must be deaf.

Show me your interesting side Smashup because you are quite frankly fascinated and it inspired you politically.

I don't have to show you shit son.
Fuck me I really did upset you
Your weakness comes from your terrible childhood you had when your family split up right?

You like the English Defence League. But Mandela is a terrorist and anything else he did doesn't mean anything to you.
Strange viewpoint.

Also, Miles is more interesting than you've ever been. His stories about broken rice cookers are more interesting than your tales (and I use that word advisedly) about escaping the Russian Mafia hidden inside a high class hooker's fur hat.

[Andre]

27 years in the can is a long time.Also doing hard labor in a quarry in Africa is fucking tough theres no shade Ive seen them. I give him credit, he did the time,some of it hard time, came out forgiving and reflective instead of bitter and aggressive as most do. It wasn't available to blacks for so many years but when diplomacy was finally given as an option, he took it and ran with it.
There are still master and slave style of people in sth Africa,its called workers now but really they have to put up with a fair bit of stick. Ive met a few Boors who have large rural holdings and black servants and these Boors can be real hard headed assholes (a woman land owner comes to mind). Totally uncompassionate towards anyone except there own,they try to tell you stories to justify their own means of justice when dealing with the Zulu or Corsa workers (who in all honesty, 'especially the rural Zulus' need to raise their game if they are to eventually take over lands and run at profit).
There are barren tea farms because they expected the money to roll on in as it used to, mismanagement is a large issue, when you hate being told what to do,you cant tell when someone is trying to help. The Zulus for years wouldnt use condoms because they thought whites were trying to stop them from breeding,(The Catholic belief system there hasnt helped in that matter either).So they stick with their own beliefs instead of seeing that the world health organization was trying to stop them spreading Hiv amongst themselves.
The Corsa people are much more trusting much less aggressive and work in well with all others and are miles ahead. The Zulu witch doctors have much to answer for,their words are taken as gospel,Some of them spread the message that if you can make love to a virgin you will be cured of aids, this has led to baby and child rape and all sorts of horrors. There are some tough roads to be trodden in the rural areas still.

[smashup]

Mandela has said himself that he did make mistakes and regrets some of his actions but without him there South Africa would have been in a worse state than it is now. The civil unrest would have been a lot worse.

Thatcher was wrong to not support sanctions and boycott South Africa.

You are all wrong to bring up his terrorism in the pretence that you think people are being hypocritical of his past. Stop trying to do a Miles, he does it with conviction and meaning – smashup you do it poorly.

Explain to everyone what you think is wrong with posting the facts that he gave orders for bombings that claimed hundreds of innocent lives?
I couldn't give a flying fuck what he did for Africa after his release, im just stating facts.

You couldn't give a damn any which way as you just stated. Those facts are something you have never looked into and never would. This issue is not on your radar.

You were simply trying to score brownie points with your 'a terrorist is a terrorist' claim but you are so pig ignorant and stupid that you cannot argue anything that you say as it was all cut and pasted. It was just "let's post the opposite of 'miles'" and in truth you cannot back it up with a view of your own.

That is why you have stayed quiet when it comes to being real about British and American governments. You are all timid and shy when it comes to serious war crimes. You care about Mandela being a terrorist and cared nothing in all the threads I have made about serious issues in our country. You don't care about terrorists, you care about brownie points, but are so absurd that you fail to see that I am beyond all human checkpoints.

What are you doing in a thread like this anyway? It's a pose, you have no interest in politics. Suddenly Mandela is an issue? At least be consistant. My point of view is reliable. Your sudden dislike of Mandela is a weirdness.

Sudden?
Don't presume to know my thoughts on anyone.
And I don't read your posts about British or US governments because your opinions bore me and don't interest me.
I already told you this which your obviously still upset about

I'm so boring that you threatened to physically 'drop me'. I'm so boring that you have accused me of being a new member. I am so boring that you have accused me of being so terribly boring that my wife must be deaf.

Show me your interesting side Smashup because you are quite frankly fascinated and it inspired you politically.

I don't have to show you shit son.
Fuck me I really did upset you
Your weakness comes from your terrible childhood you had when your family split up right?

You like the English Defence League. But Mandela is a terrorist and anything else he did doesn't mean anything to you.
Strange viewpoint.

Also, Miles is more interesting than you've ever been. His stories about broken rice cookers are more interesting than your tales (and I use that word advisedly) about escaping the Russian Mafia hidden inside a high class hooker's fur hat.

The EDL is irrelevant to me posting some hard facts about NM and I've never ever been mixed up with the Russian Mafia so don't talk shit.
Don't do "tales" either and don't really get what your trying to say to he honest.

[superheavyrhun]

Why can't you two make up and bum each other already. Pair of gayers.

[VictorCharlie]

This is interesting. I admittedly was not familiar w/Mandeal prior to his incarceration nor the details of his presidency. I have a hard time beating up on him for acts of terror considering the world he lived in. War is ugly. Regarding his presidency and after doing some reading of my own, SA was swimming in debt. They would have had to take on even more debt to adopt social democratic principles so adopting policies that promoted international investment was the best option. That being said

Under Mandela's presidency, welfare spending increased by 13% in 1996/97, 13% in 1997/98, and 7% in 1998/99. The government introduced parity in grants for communities, including disability grants, child maintenance grants, and old-age pensions, which had previously been set at different levels for South Africa's different racial groups. In 1994, free healthcare was introduced for children under six and pregnant women, a provision extended to all those using primary level public sector health care services in 1996. By the 1999 election, the ANC could boast that due to their policies, 3 million people were connected to telephone lines, 1.5 million children were brought into the education system, 500 clinics were upgraded or constructed, 2 million people were connected to the electricity grid, water access was extended to 3 million people, and 750,000 houses were constructed, housing nearly 3 million people.

The Land Restitution Act of 1994 enabled people who had lost their property as a result of the Natives Land Act, 1913 to claim back their land, leading to the settlement of tens of thousands of land claims.The Land Reform Act 3 of 1996 safeguarded the rights of labour tenants who live and grow crops or graze livestock on farms. This legislation ensured that such tenants could not be evicted without a court order or if they were over the age of sixty-five. The Skills Development Act of 1998 provided for the establishment of mechanisms to finance and promote skills development at the workplace. The Labour Relations Act of 1995 promoted workplace democracy, orderly collective bargaining, and the effective resolution of labour disputes. The Basic Conditions of Employment Act of 1997 improved enforcement mechanisms while extending a "floor" of rights to all workers, while the Employment Equity Act of 1998 was passed to put an end to unfair discrimination and ensure the implementation of affirmative action in the workplace.

You can't say the guy didn't attempt to use government intervention to help his people. I think his real emphasis was working towards reconciliation and his diplomacy in the African continent. The man isn't w/o warts but I think his life is something to celebrated.

[Andre]

His jail guard a white guy was asked yesterday if he could sum up Mandela in a word or two He said only one comes to mind and thats forgiveness.
He held no grudge to anyone.
I think he deserves the same. Be judged as you judge and all that.