Sky Sports- Darren Barker v Felix Sturm - SATURDAY NIGHT CHAT THREAD

[Silkeyjoe]

"Worthy Champ?" .....whatever. He fought the guys put in front of him, he fought his own battles with injuries, he fought a bunch of thugs to help a stranger, sounds as deserving as any other to me.

He got a gift of a world title, completely undeserved. He was not a worthy champ. Come on beanz im rarely right about fighters, give me this one!

Lol. This is crazy man. Good and great fighters get blitzed from time to time. Anybody who has seen Sturm fight knows he does not normally attack and fight the way he did. I'm sure Barkers team planned accordingly to have a strategy in camp. They probably viewed lots of tape. Problem is, a different fighter showed up. That is not an excuse because Barker should have had a plan B but even with a plan B, that temple shot would have crippled a horse.

Its just incredible to me on how fast people get thrown under the bus these days and people dare to compare this with the past. Atg fighters get beat as to the good ones and they even get stopped at times. The conclusions being drawn here are unbelievable.

In addition nobody here knows how iron clad Darrens immediate rematch clause is so lets not jump to the same conclusions now being given to Darren the fighter. The first fight in Germany could have been contingent on a fight in England. Worded with "shall" rematch instead of "may" rematch. This will most likely be cleared up next week.

Imo Darren is still the most talented middle in Britain and this does not really change a thing. Even when the events of a particular fight play out right in front of peoples faces they ignore them. That ear shot was devastating and the cause for the second kd which looked to cause damage to his hip.
These are unfortunate events but they did happen right in front of us. This crucifixion of the guy is completely unjustified and to be perfectly frank kind of a joke.

Ive said Barker is not elite from day one. He has good skills but cant hang in there with decent fighters. His ability to take shots is virtually non existance. He has been ridiculously overhyped (i believe beans thought he would give GGG a good fight. Apologeez beans if it wasnt you but someone said he thought hed have a chance against GGG in the Mack GGG thread).

What do you base your opinion of him being the number 1 in britain? He didnt put up a better fight against Sturm or Martinez then Mack or Murray. Beat a very poor middleweight champ in Geale in a very close fight and apart from those 3 hasnt fought a live opponent. I have him number 4 in England behind Saunders, Mack and Murray. Lee and Barker are very close in terms of ability and after that performance Id be tempted to give Lee the edge too.

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[Dark Lord Al]

"Worthy Champ?" .....whatever. He fought the guys put in front of him, he fought his own battles with injuries, he fought a bunch of thugs to help a stranger, sounds as deserving as any other to me.

He got a gift of a world title, completely undeserved. He was not a worthy champ. Come on beanz im rarely right about fighters, give me this one!

Lol. This is crazy man. Good and great fighters get blitzed from time to time. Anybody who has seen Sturm fight knows he does not normally attack and fight the way he did. I'm sure Barkers team planned accordingly to have a strategy in camp. They probably viewed lots of tape. Problem is, a different fighter showed up. That is not an excuse because Barker should have had a plan B but even with a plan B, that temple shot would have crippled a horse.

Its just incredible to me on how fast people get thrown under the bus these days and people dare to compare this with the past. Atg fighters get beat as to the good ones and they even get stopped at times. The conclusions being drawn here are unbelievable.

In addition nobody here knows how iron clad Darrens immediate rematch clause is so lets not jump to the same conclusions now being given to Darren the fighter. The first fight in Germany could have been contingent on a fight in England. Worded with "shall" rematch instead of "may" rematch. This will most likely be cleared up next week.

Imo Darren is still the most talented middle in Britain and this does not really change a thing. Even when the events of a particular fight play out right in front of peoples faces they ignore them. That ear shot was devastating and the cause for the second kd which looked to cause damage to his hip.
These are unfortunate events but they did happen right in front of us. This crucifixion of the guy is completely unjustified and to be perfectly frank kind of a joke.

Ive said Barker is not elite from day one. He has good skills but cant hang in there with decent fighters. His ability to take shots is virtually non existance. He has been ridiculously overhyped (i believe beans thought he would give GGG a good fight. Apologeez beans if it wasnt you but someone said he thought hed have a chance against GGG in the Mack GGG thread).

What do you base your opinion of him being the number 1 in britain? He didnt put up a better fight against Sturm or Martinez then Mack or Murray. Beat a very poor middleweight champ in Geale in a very close fight and apart from those 3 hasnt fought a live opponent. I have him number 4 in England behind Saunders, Mack and Murray. Lee and Barker are very close in terms of ability and after that performance Id be tempted to give Lee the edge too.

A

Barker beat a belt holder , and the lost to Sturm.
So what is your point ? He shouldn't have fought and beat Geale ?

[Silkeyjoe]

"Worthy Champ?" .....whatever. He fought the guys put in front of him, he fought his own battles with injuries, he fought a bunch of thugs to help a stranger, sounds as deserving as any other to me.

He got a gift of a world title, completely undeserved. He was not a worthy champ. Come on beanz im rarely right about fighters, give me this one!

Lol. This is crazy man. Good and great fighters get blitzed from time to time. Anybody who has seen Sturm fight knows he does not normally attack and fight the way he did. I'm sure Barkers team planned accordingly to have a strategy in camp. They probably viewed lots of tape. Problem is, a different fighter showed up. That is not an excuse because Barker should have had a plan B but even with a plan B, that temple shot would have crippled a horse.

Its just incredible to me on how fast people get thrown under the bus these days and people dare to compare this with the past. Atg fighters get beat as to the good ones and they even get stopped at times. The conclusions being drawn here are unbelievable.

In addition nobody here knows how iron clad Darrens immediate rematch clause is so lets not jump to the same conclusions now being given to Darren the fighter. The first fight in Germany could have been contingent on a fight in England. Worded with "shall" rematch instead of "may" rematch. This will most likely be cleared up next week.

Imo Darren is still the most talented middle in Britain and this does not really change a thing. Even when the events of a particular fight play out right in front of peoples faces they ignore them. That ear shot was devastating and the cause for the second kd which looked to cause damage to his hip.
These are unfortunate events but they did happen right in front of us. This crucifixion of the guy is completely unjustified and to be perfectly frank kind of a joke.

Ive said Barker is not elite from day one. He has good skills but cant hang in there with decent fighters. His ability to take shots is virtually non existance. He has been ridiculously overhyped (i believe beans thought he would give GGG a good fight. Apologeez beans if it wasnt you but someone said he thought hed have a chance against GGG in the Mack GGG thread).

What do you base your opinion of him being the number 1 in britain? He didnt put up a better fight against Sturm or Martinez then Mack or Murray. Beat a very poor middleweight champ in Geale in a very close fight and apart from those 3 hasnt fought a live opponent. I have him number 4 in England behind Saunders, Mack and Murray. Lee and Barker are very close in terms of ability and after that performance Id be tempted to give Lee the edge too.

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Barker beat a belt holder , and the lost to Sturm.
So what is your point ? He shouldn't have fought and beat Geale ?

What do you think my point is? Barker is shit and didnt deserve his shots because he beat noone. Of course I dont blame him for fighting Geale, whos gonna turn down a shot?