Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeanz View Post
For the record both my parents were born in the UK. As were my both my Mothers parents. My fathers Parents were Polish on his Dad's side and Romany Gypsy (via Ireland) on his Mothers side. It is quite ludicrous that Miles and Brockton supposedly the champions of the oppressed have decided that the legal migration of people into a country in which neither of them live is of such importance that they have to express outrage and horror at the very thought of it. There is no need for a character assassination on my part when they expose their own prejudices in such a public way. The Roma, long persecuted, came originally from India and are not the same ethnic group as Romanians. That is what this whole debate is really about.

Miles your assertion that "Most Polish people are not qualified to work in Universities around the world" shows exactly how blinkered, arrogant and racist you are.
How is that comment blinkered, arrogant, and racist? All you have are ad hominem personal attacks and admittedly I did a little in return. It's a massive deflection to keep on saying I am racist, that I am blinkered etc. If I were to make that same statement about ordinary English people you wouldn't batter an eyelid. Something like 30% of British people go to University and fewer go on to study at Post Graduate level. It is just a fact that I am relatively well educated. You seem to have some bee in your bonnet about that, and it makes me arrogant and blinkered? Most of those coming from overseas are not exactly Phd holders, which really is the only way to be more educated than I am. And good on those that are, as I have said skilled immigrants are needed in any economy. It is the rest that I seriously question and the rest is the vast majority.

I have a friend back home who works in an egg factory. He and his English friend are the last standing as the rest are all from Poland. Is he blinkered? My other friend says that in Edinburgh a taxi driver is more likely to be foreign than a native Scot. Is he just being arrogant? Honestly, where do you get off with your ridiculous statements. I am such a racist that the few people I do interact with in life are all from a different country to me. I get called a blinkered, racist everyday. You are surely having a laugh.

Your last long post was whining on and on about Roma discrimination, but what does that have to do with being allowed to settle into the UK whenever they like? The Poles can all come, the Romanians can all come. But is it the responsibility of the UK to house them, to find them work, to nurse them when they are sick? How, when and why did this ever become the defacto attitude to have? I brought up this discussion earlier with someone at work and asked 'How would Koreans feel if 5 million foreigners were to settle here within just 10 years?". The response was as it should be, a negative dismissal. I said that this was exactly what had happened in England. Cue gobsmacked expression.

My earlier points all stand. Of course a foreign worker will take shit that an English worker won't if they are earning 3-4 times the minimum wage of their home countries. The English person can't save a hoot on the low paying jobs, whilst the Pole will send money home and after a decade or so have enough to buy a house and then they are set. The English person doesn't have anything to hope for as property is never going to happen and you will always be paycheck to paycheck. It is permanent decline and of course he could move to Poland and fall even further behind. It is a terrible and unfair comparison to make to say that Poles work harder. Of course they would and would tolerate more as it makes sense financially. The English person might as well give up.

We have nation states and when poor countries are allowed to flock to countries with better paying jobs, then standards decline for ordinary people in the richer country. Yes, it helps small businesses who want cheap labour, but there is more to life than that. Growth in an economy is really about stock markets, which really grow from abusing labour. We shouldn't always see growth as a positive when it comes from the division and abuse of domestic labour.