I'm going to be positive about Broner

[Beanflicker]

You make some very good points. The "calm and composed under pressure" part I might have a bit of an issue with. Having a delayed reaction to a light headbutt, and dropping to the canvas in a shameful attempt at winning by DQ isn't exactly what I would call "composed".

He was getting beat up and was milking for the point deduction. Not the most honorable thing, but nothing a lot of masters haven't done before (Bhop comes to mind).

[TitoFan]

You make some very good points. The "calm and composed under pressure" part I might have a bit of an issue with. Having a delayed reaction to a light headbutt, and dropping to the canvas in a shameful attempt at winning by DQ isn't exactly what I would call "composed".

He was getting beat up and was milking for the point deduction. Not the most honorable thing, but nothing a lot of masters haven't done before (Bhop comes to mind).

Well hell.... at least make it credible next time.

It was like... "Hey! I got headbutted. A way out! Now where's a soft spot to land?"

[TitoFan]

Seriously. Broner got booed and razzed all the way back to his dressing room. Imagine what the fan reaction would've been like had Maidana been DQ'ed by the ref.

[FinitoElDinamita]

He has a lame persona but I respect him as a fighter. He showed heart..

Remember when a young cotto got tested by ndou who didnt hit half as hard as maidana? He got on that bike instead of fighting..

Broner has potential. He just needs to fibd his own identity as a fighter....

[Spicoli]

I've been ragging the dude since he was being knocked around and scraping by on a FNF. I know, he's an easy mark but he's earned it. I can say yes, he's durable. Although he went Luis Santana on the canvas and looked pitiful, he did hang in and carry on the fight. That's respectable. For his own sake...forget boxing...I hope he takes a long hard look inside of his chest and open his mind. He's young, he does have time. But he needs a complete retooling and I think calling him highly skilled, a future great like fighter etc is a massive stretch. He makes a MANY mistakes and has shown little respect or acknowledgment to even his corner in listening...learning!

[Beanflicker]

But he needs a complete retooling and I think calling him highly skilled, a future great like fighter etc is a massive stretch. He makes a MANY mistakes and has shown little respect or acknowledgment to even his corner in listening...learning!

I don't think we're talking about a complete retooling. He needs to make some changes for sure, but it's not like the guy's a bum - he has an incredible amount of boxing skill and physical gifts for such a young guy.

I didn't see him make a ton of mistakes, I think the big ones (inactivity, giving away rounds, being too stationary) are very fixable.

[Max Power]

I think Broner will be back and move on to be great still.

I'm virtually certain he will receive some coaching from his big bro's team and might even be adopted.

Good thread, I was wondering when the bash session would die down for a fairer shake.

Can't say he didn't have it coming though.

The bigger question really is "Will he be more humbled now, or still a pompous ass?"

[Spicoli]

But he needs a complete retooling and I think calling him highly skilled, a future great like fighter etc is a massive stretch. He makes a MANY mistakes and has shown little respect or acknowledgment to even his corner in listening...learning!

I don't think we're talking about a complete retooling. He needs to make some changes for sure, but it's not like the guy's a bum - he has an incredible amount of boxing skill and physical gifts for such a young guy.

I didn't see him make a ton of mistakes, I think the big ones (inactivity, giving away rounds, being too stationary) are very fixable.

Oh no, he's certainly not a bum. The retooling he needs starts with him, approach, attitude, and checking himself. His attitude translates directly to how he fights in the ring...like he can't be touched and walks on water. You nailed it Bean..stationary..IF he finally shows a know how with the backfoot, a menatlity to move off and walk a guy into combinations off a fast jab..get away from that disaster "horse shoe" stance and wide feet that don't do enough work for him. Standing in there...head up grinning and shielding with that shoulder, walking in....thats not going to cut it man. His feet get flat and he defends with twisting, turning and pulls straight back. He gets touched alot. Paulie showed him in a fight he could stand it. Broner says he choose to take it, it was nothing and same with Reese. That has to be the dumbest shate I've heard. Those are mistakes you fix in fights where its doesn't get you torched, when you get into a fire fight on a top level he is left learning 'on the job'. You can't go backwards. No...learn man! Showing he is so durable can be a bad thing for a guy who is convinced he is something..or someone he is not.

[Beanflicker]

Well hell.... at least make it credible next time.

It was like... "Hey! I got headbutted. A way out! Now where's a soft spot to land?"

It reminded me of one of those pro wrestling blooper videos on youtube where one wrestler throws a punch that clearly misses by a mile and the other wrestler still sells it and falls like he got punched by Joe Louis.

I think Broner was hoping the headbutt looked worse than it was and he could get some sympathy, when in reality he just looked like an idiot.