I'm going to be positive about Broner

[Spicoli]

I've been ragging the dude since he was being knocked around and scraping by on a FNF. I know, he's an easy mark but he's earned it. I can say yes, he's durable. Although he went Luis Santana on the canvas and looked pitiful, he did hang in and carry on the fight. That's respectable. For his own sake...forget boxing...I hope he takes a long hard look inside of his chest and open his mind. He's young, he does have time. But he needs a complete retooling and I think calling him highly skilled, a future great like fighter etc is a massive stretch. He makes a MANY mistakes and has shown little respect or acknowledgment to even his corner in listening...learning!

[Beanflicker]

But he needs a complete retooling and I think calling him highly skilled, a future great like fighter etc is a massive stretch. He makes a MANY mistakes and has shown little respect or acknowledgment to even his corner in listening...learning!

I don't think we're talking about a complete retooling. He needs to make some changes for sure, but it's not like the guy's a bum - he has an incredible amount of boxing skill and physical gifts for such a young guy.

I didn't see him make a ton of mistakes, I think the big ones (inactivity, giving away rounds, being too stationary) are very fixable.

[Max Power]

I think Broner will be back and move on to be great still.

I'm virtually certain he will receive some coaching from his big bro's team and might even be adopted.

Good thread, I was wondering when the bash session would die down for a fairer shake.

Can't say he didn't have it coming though.

The bigger question really is "Will he be more humbled now, or still a pompous ass?"

[Spicoli]

But he needs a complete retooling and I think calling him highly skilled, a future great like fighter etc is a massive stretch. He makes a MANY mistakes and has shown little respect or acknowledgment to even his corner in listening...learning!

I don't think we're talking about a complete retooling. He needs to make some changes for sure, but it's not like the guy's a bum - he has an incredible amount of boxing skill and physical gifts for such a young guy.

I didn't see him make a ton of mistakes, I think the big ones (inactivity, giving away rounds, being too stationary) are very fixable.

Oh no, he's certainly not a bum. The retooling he needs starts with him, approach, attitude, and checking himself. His attitude translates directly to how he fights in the ring...like he can't be touched and walks on water. You nailed it Bean..stationary..IF he finally shows a know how with the backfoot, a menatlity to move off and walk a guy into combinations off a fast jab..get away from that disaster "horse shoe" stance and wide feet that don't do enough work for him. Standing in there...head up grinning and shielding with that shoulder, walking in....thats not going to cut it man. His feet get flat and he defends with twisting, turning and pulls straight back. He gets touched alot. Paulie showed him in a fight he could stand it. Broner says he choose to take it, it was nothing and same with Reese. That has to be the dumbest shate I've heard. Those are mistakes you fix in fights where its doesn't get you torched, when you get into a fire fight on a top level he is left learning 'on the job'. You can't go backwards. No...learn man! Showing he is so durable can be a bad thing for a guy who is convinced he is something..or someone he is not.

[Beanflicker]

Yeah his attitude needs a complete re-tooling.

Floyd said something interesting about Broner; that he needs to know when to turn the arrogance on and off (I think Bernard said the same thing).

It's great to put on the cocky, brash persona when the cameras are on. But you need to be humble when the cameras are off to realize that you're not god's gift to boxing and you can always improve. Floyd has never stopped improving and refining his style, which is why IMO he is the greatest in-ring talent since SRR.

To me, the fact that Broner fought the same way even though Gavin Rees and Malignaggi gave him some trouble suggests that he's too thick-headed to admit he needs to make adjustments, or maybe he has too many "Yes"-men hanging off his nuts.

Hopefully having his shit pushed in by Maidana has humbled him to the point where he can make the necessary adjustments and become something more to boxing than another Andre Berto.

[Beanflicker]

Another positive I'm going to bring up is the fact that Broner chose Maidana personally to fight.

Mayweather recently revealed that Broner's management hand-picked Malignaggi because he had no punching power and wasn't seen as a threat. But because people were slamming Broner for fighting guys with no power, he went out and chose Maidana himself, against his management's wishes.

I think that deserves a thumbs up. The fans called him out and he answered the criticism by finding one of the biggest bangers in boxing.

Didn't work out for him obviously, but we should respect him for having the balls to go against his management and fight a real dangerous guy.

[chris6878]

Broner definitely has the skill and ability to beat maidana. Does he have the mind to? During the whole fight all he did was shoulder roll and pot shot (like he was winning the fight). He didnt make any adjustments. All he had to do was use his athletic ability to stick and move, then open up when it presented himself. Instead he fought like a dumb ass. Does he need a new trainer? Is his corner too busy licking his balls and brushing his hair to make the changes he needs.

Maidana is a come forward fighter, the type that floyd, pac, ward would annihilate. But broner, with all his gifts decides to stay in one spot and do a shoulder roll. Fucking idiot. I think his boxing IQ is his biggest disability.

[Bo-Bo24]

Broner definitely has the skill and ability to beat maidana. Does he have the mind to? During the whole fight all he did was shoulder roll and pot shot (like he was winning the fight). He didnt make any adjustments. All he had to do was use his athletic ability to stick and move, then open up when it presented himself. Instead he fought like a dumb ass. Does he need a new trainer? Is his corner too busy licking his balls and brushing his hair to make the changes he needs.

Maidana is a come forward fighter, the type that floyd, pac, ward would annihilate. But broner, with all his gifts decides to stay in one spot and do a shoulder roll. Fucking idiot. I think his boxing IQ is his biggest disability.

Yeah I noticed quite a few times Broner would shape up to shoulder roll before Madina had even thrown a punch! People forget that Floyd spent a long time in the lower weights honing his craft before slowly coming up, that coupled with his dedication are what makes him number one. Broner has skills but he needs to learn lessons from Floyd on how to move his career and living outside the ring.

[chris6878]

Another positive I'm going to bring up is the fact that Broner chose Maidana personally to fight.

Mayweather recently revealed that Broner's management hand-picked Malignaggi because he had no punching power and wasn't seen as a threat. But because people were slamming Broner for fighting guys with no power, he went out and chose Maidana himself, against his management's wishes.

I think that deserves a thumbs up. The fans called him out and he answered the criticism by finding one of the biggest bangers in boxing.

Didn't work out for him obviously, but we should respect him for having the balls to go against his management and fight a real dangerous guy.

Was it his balls or his fucking stupidity/arrogance. Idiot shouldve known his own waeaknesses

[zhubin]

Another positive I'm going to bring up is the fact that Broner chose Maidana personally to fight.

Mayweather recently revealed that Broner's management hand-picked Malignaggi because he had no punching power and wasn't seen as a threat. But because people were slamming Broner for fighting guys with no power, he went out and chose Maidana himself, against his management's wishes.

I think that deserves a thumbs up. The fans called him out and he answered the criticism by finding one of the biggest bangers in boxing.

Didn't work out for him obviously, but we should respect him for having the balls to go against his management and fight a real dangerous guy.

I think you are giving a bit too much credit. Honestly...they took Maidana VERY lightly. He thought he could dominate him because Miadana wasn't fast and skilled enough. Broner wasn't physically prepared...and he clearly underestimated his opponent. It takes a lot of audacity and false confidence to go up against a dangerous puncher with heart and not respect him. But that is what he did. He wasn't in great shape...and he had barely a 2 month camp after a lengthy hip hop tour. Add all that to his technical and tactical flaws...he payed the price.

[ykdadamaja]

He was hoping to go undefeated... that won't happen... he wanted to be like Floyd... but he should have tried to be like Floyd when Floyd was younger, not the now Floyd who barely throws a punch a round.

Broner needs to be Broner. Fight.

[p4pking]

He was hoping to go undefeated... that won't happen... he wanted to be like Floyd... but he should have tried to be like Floyd when Floyd was younger, not the now Floyd who barely throws a punch a round.

Broner needs to be Broner. Fight.

That's a good point I think. He needs to realize Floyd is economical with his punches because he can afford to be, there are so many other things he does to take away his opponents best weapons and reduce their output. Broner wants to do the same things but can't at world level and basically just postures half the time as a result. He's not controlling distance or in position to counter, and he isn't actually going to roll with half the punches thrown at him. The guy needs to start using a jab and trying to slip punches coming forward I'd say, he does have the tools to be a better fighter if he wants to be.