London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians

[Andre]

So whats disappointing?

The fact I didint put a s on the end of one, instead of writing the odd one.

[Beanz]

So whats disappointing?

The fact I didint put a s on the end of one, instead of writing the odd one.

That people are willing to write off entire countries and their populations so easily.

[Andre]

So whats disappointing?

The fact I didint put a s on the end of one, instead of writing the odd one.

That people are willing to write off entire countries and their populations so easily.

True but you cant change the majority of people on either side of that coin.

There were some great Germans during their worse period; Rommel was one a true gentleman who wanted only to fight a war in the way gentlemen do. And their are great ones now, I feel for them having to beat against the tide of others past actions, but it makes for some real stand outs when they do stand out from the crowd.

Same goes for all other races including all the races my blood is from with their horrible past; some roses grow out of some shit sometimes and they are the best you can get.

[VictorCharlie]

British Free Marketeers Should Welcome Romanian and Bulgarian Immigrants - Reason.com

Obviously yall have beat this topic pretty well but I read this article today. You don't have to guess where a libertarian outlet falls on free movement of people but it may be interesting for a US perspective.

[ryanman]

British Free Marketeers Should Welcome Romanian and Bulgarian Immigrants - Reason.com

Obviously yall have beat this topic pretty well but I read this article today. You don't have to guess where a libertarian outlet falls on free movement of people but it may be interesting for a US perspective.

A selected quote from that -

"Perhaps more frustrating than the inconsistency displayed by politicians who claim to be supporters of free markets while arguing against the free movement of people is how misguided the objections to immigration in the U.K. are. Despite what is often said in the U.K., the country is not crowded, immigrants to the U.K. drive down housing prices, and the more recent immigrants are net contributors to public finances".

As I have said.

[Gandalf]

Other reasearch suggests that the contributions are slight if any. But that isn't the point, the point is why are borders being opened to one and all? It certainly hasn't been discussed with the British people, who seem to want this rid of.

It isn't racist to point out the disprepancies. Romania has a minimum wage of 88 pence, Britain has 6 pounds odd. That is a difference 700%. It is a bloody lot of money for them and if you will live in shitty conditions for a few years and get what you can, you can go home in a couple of years and have a house. Maybe come back again and buy another and now be a landlord.

The poor Brits in the UK and in particular stupid Duncan Jones with 2 GCSE'S to his name, don't have a hope in the world competing with this lot. Is this his fault? He's just not very smart, but there are smarter, who will do the menial job happily as they know there is an end goal. There can be no end goal for Duncan. He lives in unaffordable London with his family. He has to look for better paid jobs that he will NEVER find as they are being advertised in Romania first. At home with Mum for life perhaps, maybe never destined for a wife either.

The experiment taking place in the UK is an extremely audacious one and is clearly planned. The limits of how much the ordinary English can afford to be pushed back is going to felt with continued economic stagnation (ignore fat Dave and his spin) and people getting thrown further under.

Nobody is racist for wanting to control immigration, but are pragmatic in wanting a lot more control over the situation. I want it for sure. I have an end goal of growing carrots on a farm, but though Korea is alright, I would much rather grow carrots in Scotland. I think many expats feel the same, they would like to come home, but the more things change in ways that they feel are wrong, the ability or opportunities to return decline exponentially. Many of us didn't leave because of any dislike of our homes. Home is home and to be alienated from home permanently is bad. The Romanians can come along short term and do well. I could come home and really I'm in the situation of the snooty Brit. It's minimum wage, of course you can't pay rent on that job etc, and so it will go to others who can really make coin out of it.

You are then automatically stranded in no mans land. I see where the youth of England probably are right now, maybe school propaganda has taught them that this is normal and the way of things. It really shouldn't be though. It's the fastest slope to majority serfdom.

[VictorCharlie]

Minimum wage does not tell the whole story. You need median wage compared to cost of living. If by moving to the UK my wage goes up 80% but my cost of living goes up 100% then I'm at a 20% loss in disposable income. I have no idea what those numbers really are but people move for the prospect of a better life not simply a higher income. There are lots of Mexicans that come to the US and work for 6 months and then go back home for the rest of the year. They do this b/c the cost of living is SO much cheaper in Mexico.