Does anyone think George Zimmerman is guilty of murder?

[Beanflicker]

[QUOTE=Greenbeanz;1214624]

When you live in a country where firearms are not seen as necessary or desirable then a story in which one civilian shoots another dead outside of his home is met with disbelief.

Ok well take the gun out of the equation.

Lets create a complete hypothetical and we'll transplant this whole incident over to England. Everything's the same, only the ending is changed. George Zimmerman, being from England, he doesn't have a gun. Instead, while Trayvon is on top of him throwing punches, he grabs a broken beer bottle that was lying near his head, stabs Trayvon in the chest, and Trayvon drops dead on the lawn.

Does this change how you feel about the situation?

[El Kabong]

[QUOTE=Beanflicker;1214910]

When you live in a country where firearms are not seen as necessary or desirable then a story in which one civilian shoots another dead outside of his home is met with disbelief.

Ok well take the gun out of the equation.

Lets create a complete hypothetical and we'll transplant this whole incident over to England. Everything's the same, only the ending is changed. George Zimmerman, being from England, he doesn't have a gun. Instead, while Trayvon is on top of him throwing punches, he grabs a broken beer bottle that was lying near his head, stabs Trayvon in the chest, and Trayvon drops dead on the lawn.

Does this change how you feel about the situation?

Littering is illegal in England

[Beanflicker]

[QUOTE=El Kabong;1214911]

When you live in a country where firearms are not seen as necessary or desirable then a story in which one civilian shoots another dead outside of his home is met with disbelief.

Ok well take the gun out of the equation.

Lets create a complete hypothetical and we'll transplant this whole incident over to England. Everything's the same, only the ending is changed. George Zimmerman, being from England, he doesn't have a gun. Instead, while Trayvon is on top of him throwing punches, he grabs a broken beer bottle that was lying near his head, stabs Trayvon in the chest, and Trayvon drops dead on the lawn.

Does this change how you feel about the situation?

Littering is illegal in England

I reckon the thought of someone being killed simply because someone carelessly littered would be equally shocking to the average Brit, then!

[Beanz]

[QUOTE=Beanflicker;1214910]

When you live in a country where firearms are not seen as necessary or desirable then a story in which one civilian shoots another dead outside of his home is met with disbelief.

Ok well take the gun out of the equation.

Lets create a complete hypothetical and we'll transplant this whole incident over to England. Everything's the same, only the ending is changed. George Zimmerman, being from England, he doesn't have a gun. Instead, while Trayvon is on top of him throwing punches, he grabs a broken beer bottle that was lying near his head, stabs Trayvon in the chest, and Trayvon drops dead on the lawn.

Does this change how you feel about the situation?

That is a very clumsy comparison. You are transplanting an armed assailant following an innocent civilian into a situation in which he is suddenly "the victim". An English citizen would not take the law into their own hands and follow someone simply because they were Black, unless they were a Police officer. Armed response units in the UK have firearms not broken bottles.

[El Kabong]

That is a very clumsy comparison. You are transplanting an armed assailant following an innocent civilian into a situation in which he is suddenly "the victim". An English citizen would not take the law into their own hands and follow someone simply because they were Black, unless they were a Police officer. Armed response units in the UK have firearms not broken bottles.

#1 "An English person wouldn't" is an ASSUMPTION. Also if we're going to base things on assumptions then if I followed an English person would they physically attack me? If they wouldn't then there would have been 0 problem whether I had a gun or not.

#2 Zimmerman didn't follow Trayvon "because he was black" he followed him because A) There had been several break ins and robberies in the area and B ) Trayvon was wondering around aimlessly in an apartment complex where there had been several break ins in the rain

#3 How long does it take the police to arrive in your area Beanz? If you were in the process of being robbed would they arrive DURING your robbery or AFTER your robbery? The police are there to apprehend wrongdoers not prevent crime...a GUN prevents crime.

[Fenster]

"A GUN prevents crime"

[VictorCharlie]

"A GUN prevents crime"

Concealed Carry Means Fewer Murders, Says New Study - Hit & Run : Reason.com

[El Kabong]

"A GUN prevents crime"

Concealed Carry Means Fewer Murders, Says New Study - Hit & Run : Reason.com

OK Fenster, let's say you are a criminal would you rather rob someone in a place where guns are illegal and law abiding citizens are 100% unarmed OR would you rather press your luck in a place where who knows who could be packing heat. Riddle me that before you laugh off "guns prevent crime"

[Fenster]

"A GUN prevents crime"

Concealed Carry Means Fewer Murders, Says New Study - Hit & Run : Reason.com

OK Fenster, let's say you are a criminal would you rather rob someone in a place where guns are illegal and law abiding citizens are 100% unarmed OR would you rather press your luck in a place where who knows who could be packing heat. Riddle me that before you laugh off "guns prevent crime"

Do guns prevent unarmed criminal activity in your part of the world? No. Why? Because criminals are criminals, regardless.

I don't have a problem with you owning guns. If I lived in your lunatic part of the world I probably would too. But guns clearly don't prevent crime. You can produce statistics until the cows come home, but you know the reality is crime will happen with or without guns. A gun just makes it easier to be a criminal.

[Beanz]

"The gun just made things worse"

[Beanz]

"The gun just made things worse"

[Beanz]

Lyle I am not judging you or America if you want to align yourself with George Zimmermann then whoopee doo for you, your hero is alive, hooray!