London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians

[Gandalf]

Actually, sorry for using some bad words in the prior post. I just get a bit irrate when words are being put in my mouth and words that are in no way a reflection of who or what I am.

No problem Gandalf, it's refreshing to see you trashing the UK. Does this mean the US isn't bad anymore.

If we are talking about the US political system and its approach to domestic and foreign affairs, it is where it always is until serious reform takes place. However, just as I have no problems with ordinary Americans who are doing the best they can in a bad situation, I also feel the same way about ordinary English people too.

I think society is evolving in a bad way and immigration needs to be tightly controlled. The minimum wage needs to be increased so that it becomes a living wage. Then if native scroungers also won't work, then you are justified in taking away their benefits. They then also cannot blame migrants for stealing jobs etc. Being a socialist of a traditional kind I would also take away the properties of people who own multiple properties (at a decent rate of course) and socialise housing. It is a massive crime that housing benefit is being used to line the pockets of people who are getting rich off of property that should never have been private. Then I would nationalise the utilities, do away with Blair bullshit academies, nationalise public transportation, go to town on the banks and maybe ban a few of them, corporations will be paying their hefty corporate taxes, no excuses for any. My program will clean the rot from top to bottom and if it means not growing as fast as possible (heaven forbid), then threaten to leave my shores, and duly do so. Pay your corporate taxes or fuck off.

Then it will be time to deal with problem areas where people seem to think doing nothing is valid. You are entitled to do nothing, but not at the expense of the taxpayer. Only a very few people cannot actually do anything. Few are limbless AND lacking mental facilities. That is money that people have worked hard for and it should be appreciated. Not just funnelled into endless streams of housing benefit and the not yet retired to live as though they are retired. Are there really so many more disabled people than 15 years ago? It's remarkable. I don't blame them though as working doesn't pay and that is why serious social reconstruction is neccessary. Most CAN and SHOULD contribute something. Child benefit is another thing that should go. Support for one child, but anymore, is a CHOICE that YOU made. Sure the apparatus is there to help you. Cheap transport, rent, bills etc, but with that you should use YOUR newly found resources MATURELY and take RESPONSIBILITY. My reforms can only go so far. The benefits system is largely a joke and only very sick people should need them.

Only then and after the dust is settled would I ever consider allowing immigration to become part of the public agenda and it should be an agenda levelled with the British people at all times and ultimately if it is to expand, it will be with their consent. No longer will the corporates control Britain as they have done for 30 years of horrendous assault.

You sound like Iain Duncan Smith the enemy of every socialist ever born. It is quite obvious that you have no idea what it is like to live in the UK these last few years with your ill informed piss poor excuse for an argument You are totally full of shit Miles. It is not even funny any more. "...being a socialist of a traditional kind" ? What kind is that ? the fantasy kind? the posing dandy kind ? the hypocritical kind? the " I am happy to share the wealth as long as it's not my wealth and not with foreigners kind" ? You are virtually the dictionary definition of "Elitist". "My reforms can only go so far." Listen to yourself man, getting up on your pulpit, completely and utterly devoid of any empathy, dismissing large swathes of the population because you have decided that they are not that disabled, or that they are selfish by having children or are not entitled to own more than one property however hard they worked for it.

You are right on one thing though, the benefits system is a joke, but not for the reasons you think.

There is nothing hypocritical in any of what I say. I mean socialist as in the kind of socialist as formerly evidenced by a Labour Party that did actually represent Labour. I think sometimes people forget the meaning of the word Labour. Labour means to work and the socialism is to make work more tolerable for all and for society to help facilitate this thing called society.

Reforms such as mass scale nationalisation are to take away excessive private profiteering and to give people things they need directly. Hospitals and education should be free. Others such as utilities, transport, accomodation should be affordable. Thus with a living wage people can take home enough, spend their money on the neccessities and then be encouraged to be sensible with the rest. Oh, and of course a truly redistributive tax system to pay for it.

What is there about such a scheme that you dislike? It is pretty socialist as far as socialism goes. Are you American? Do you not understand the term having lived in England under 30 years of propaganda and abuse?

When it comes to disability and benefits, I did some research on this and technically if I was living in the UK, I could just claim disability allowance. Based on a moody disposition and an occasional fear of public speaking, I could con my way into getting something for nothing. Looking at the range of illnesses, many of these are no reason why you couldn't be doing a job appropriate to your particular needs. Since Blair the numbers of people on these benefits has grown exponentially. They are not disabled, they can do work of some kind. Look at the Benefits Street show, these people are physically able to work, but their mentality is 'Why should I?'. Once you have the living wage, then you have no excuses any more. These people have no appreciation of where their money comes from, it is an entitlement attitude. Someone else worked hard for that money to be deducted and it should be going to schools, fixing roads, etc, and not subsidising some fatty and her do nothing attitude and meanwhile she is smoking like a chimney.

In that sense I can see why some prefer immigrants. They will work hard. Before allowing that, I would like to see a serious attempt at fixing Britain itself as that was allowed to slip for over 20 years as Britain tried to sweep it under the rug. Then, if the societal revolution doesn't work, then you consider immigration. But what you currently see in the UK is a tragedy and a disaster. Just taking away benefits is not enough and is unfair. I say provide a living wage and that means maybe 18,000 pounds a year and a 4 day working week and I think gradually people will start to see that it makes sense to make an effort. On UK minimum wage and rent and bill costs it's no wonder some people do lose hope. If you can give back a little self respect then progress is made.

Your attitude is basically, say nothing, question nothing, don't be rude and criticise immigration or benefits. It's a futile and dead end stance.