GGG might fight Andy Lee in April.. is he the new Erdei?

[bcollins]

Is he gonna call out jermaine taylor next? Fuckin the worst paper titlist ive seen in awhile.

I'm not sure you've made yourself clear. Are you saying you don't think much of GGG?

[FinitoElDinamita]

Is he gonna call out jermaine taylor next? Fuckin the worst paper titlist ive seen in awhile.

I'm not sure you've made yourself clear. Are you saying you don't think much of GGG?

He appears to be a decent fighter but we'll never know what he's really made of if he keeps fighting these part time rental cops and dishwashers. That's what im saying..

He's good but he's not this killer that people make him out to be.. I could be wrong but that's the impression I get..

It's like with Lucas Mythese.. Everybody and their mama made him out to be the boogeyman just because he knocked out Mike Dallas lol and a weight drained Peterson.. Majority of the fans thought he'd knock out Danny Garcia easily ( real talk ) but I sure didnt see it that way.. I knew he wasn't good enough to beat Danny and i can back it up with the Saddoleague thread..

Anyway I kinda see GGG in the same light.. He's a good fighter but all that hype is unwarranted..

[Hulk]

Is he gonna call out jermaine taylor next? Fuckin the worst paper titlist ive seen in awhile.

I'm not sure you've made yourself clear. Are you saying you don't think much of GGG?

He appears to be a decent fighter but we'll never know what he's really made of if he keeps fighting these part time rental cops and dishwashers. That's what im saying..

He's good but he's not this killer that people make him out to be.. I could be wrong but that's the impression I get..

It's like with Lucas Mythese.. Everybody and their mama made him out to be the boogeyman just because he knocked out Mike Dallas lol and a weight drained Peterson.. Majority of the fans thought he'd knock out Danny Garcia easily ( real talk ) but I sure didnt see it that way.. I knew he wasn't good enough to beat Danny and i can back it up with the Saddoleague thread..

Anyway I kinda see GGG in the same light.. He's a good fighter but all that hype is unwarranted..

I see some parallels with Matthysse as well. Its not like Lucas got schooled and dominated, he lost a close and good match to Garcia.


You are not exactly Nostradamus yourself either (real talk) lol


Honestly, Felix Sturm would be a great test for GGG, but Sturm of all folks should not be hailed as some hero to debunk GGG and his supposed fighting of nobodies. I mean lets look at Sturm's resume. There was a good stretch where he was fighting some truly questionable opposition himself.


Castillejo did stop him after all, so I'd imagine GGG would do the same. Yes, Sturm avenged it, but nonetheless.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Is he gonna call out jermaine taylor next? Fuckin the worst paper titlist ive seen in awhile.

I'm not sure you've made yourself clear. Are you saying you don't think much of GGG?

He appears to be a decent fighter but we'll never know what he's really made of if he keeps fighting these part time rental cops and dishwashers. That's what im saying..

He's good but he's not this killer that people make him out to be.. I could be wrong but that's the impression I get..

It's like with Lucas Mythese.. Everybody and their mama made him out to be the boogeyman just because he knocked out Mike Dallas lol and a weight drained Peterson.. Majority of the fans thought he'd knock out Danny Garcia easily ( real talk ) but I sure didnt see it that way.. I knew he wasn't good enough to beat Danny and i can back it up with the Saddoleague thread..

Anyway I kinda see GGG in the same light.. He's a good fighter but all that hype is unwarranted..

I see some parallels with Matthysse as well. Its not like Lucas got schooled and dominated, he lost a close and good match to Garcia.


You are not exactly Nostradamus yourself either (real talk) lol


Honestly, Felix Sturm would be a great test for GGG, but Sturm of all folks should not be hailed as some hero to debunk GGG and his supposed fighting of nobodies. I mean lets look at Sturm's resume. There was a good stretch where he was fighting some truly questionable opposition himself.


Castillejo did stop him after all, so I'd imagine GGG would do the same. Yes, Sturm avenged it, but nonetheless.

Are you putting me on that Boxing God status now, Hulk, like I can never be wrong? lol this high standard you set for me Im flattered but even monkeys fall off trees bruh..

All you need to do is look at the Saddoleague comp and you'll realize how I perform at the elite level consistently but more importantly, I might have one of the best record in picking major upsets.. Jhonny Gonzalez > Mares, Garcia>Lucas etc the list is so long I dont even remember... So " real talk " my friend i dont mean to brag but let's not act like Im not one of the brightest Boxing minds on Saddo..

Anyway I agree with you and Ross regarding Felix Sturm.. Sturm is more than credible as an opponent for GGG..

[Spicoli]

His people want him back on hbo so he has to "pick" from network options. Can't see him fighting Sturm unless its on another obscure card stuffed on the side of a Milk Carton to the U.S. They also mentioned Kirkland and I think that would a shame and a bit of a step backwards, but a familiar face to fans and will be flattened like a truck rolling over a speed bump made of Lego logs.

[Hulk]

Is he gonna call out jermaine taylor next? Fuckin the worst paper titlist ive seen in awhile.

I'm not sure you've made yourself clear. Are you saying you don't think much of GGG?

He appears to be a decent fighter but we'll never know what he's really made of if he keeps fighting these part time rental cops and dishwashers. That's what im saying..

He's good but he's not this killer that people make him out to be.. I could be wrong but that's the impression I get..

It's like with Lucas Mythese.. Everybody and their mama made him out to be the boogeyman just because he knocked out Mike Dallas lol and a weight drained Peterson.. Majority of the fans thought he'd knock out Danny Garcia easily ( real talk ) but I sure didnt see it that way.. I knew he wasn't good enough to beat Danny and i can back it up with the Saddoleague thread..

Anyway I kinda see GGG in the same light.. He's a good fighter but all that hype is unwarranted..

I see some parallels with Matthysse as well. Its not like Lucas got schooled and dominated, he lost a close and good match to Garcia.


You are not exactly Nostradamus yourself either (real talk) lol


Honestly, Felix Sturm would be a great test for GGG, but Sturm of all folks should not be hailed as some hero to debunk GGG and his supposed fighting of nobodies. I mean lets look at Sturm's resume. There was a good stretch where he was fighting some truly questionable opposition himself.


Castillejo did stop him after all, so I'd imagine GGG would do the same. Yes, Sturm avenged it, but nonetheless.

Are you putting me on that Boxing God status now, Hulk, like I can never be wrong? lol this high standard you set for me Im flattered but even monkeys fall off trees bruh..

All you need to do is look at the Saddoleague comp and you'll realize how I perform at the elite level consistently but more importantly, I might have one of the best record in picking major upsets.. Jhonny Gonzalez > Mares, Garcia>Lucas etc the list is so long I dont even remember... So " real talk " my friend i dont mean to brag but let's not act like Im not one of the brightest Boxing minds on Saddo..

Anyway I agree with you and Ross regarding Felix Sturm.. Sturm is more than credible as an opponent for GGG..

Jesus Christ....lol

I'm surprised Sturm is still around and doing as well as he is. He's been a staple in the division for a fuckin decade.

[Silkeyjoe]

Is he gonna call out jermaine taylor next? Fuckin the worst paper titlist ive seen in awhile.

I'm not sure you've made yourself clear. Are you saying you don't think much of GGG?

He appears to be a decent fighter but we'll never know what he's really made of if he keeps fighting these part time rental cops and dishwashers. That's what im saying..

He's good but he's not this killer that people make him out to be.. I could be wrong but that's the impression I get..

It's like with Lucas Mythese.. Everybody and their mama made him out to be the boogeyman just because he knocked out Mike Dallas lol and a weight drained Peterson.. Majority of the fans thought he'd knock out Danny Garcia easily ( real talk ) but I sure didnt see it that way.. I knew he wasn't good enough to beat Danny and i can back it up with the Saddoleague thread..

Anyway I kinda see GGG in the same light.. He's a good fighter but all that hype is unwarranted..

I see some parallels with Matthysse as well. Its not like Lucas got schooled and dominated, he lost a close and good match to Garcia.


You are not exactly Nostradamus yourself either (real talk) lol


Honestly, Felix Sturm would be a great test for GGG, but Sturm of all folks should not be hailed as some hero to debunk GGG and his supposed fighting of nobodies. I mean lets look at Sturm's resume. There was a good stretch where he was fighting some truly questionable opposition himself.


Castillejo did stop him after all, so I'd imagine GGG would do the same. Yes, Sturm avenged it, but nonetheless.

Are you putting me on that Boxing God status now, Hulk, like I can never be wrong? lol this high standard you set for me Im flattered but even monkeys fall off trees bruh..

All you need to do is look at the Saddoleague comp and you'll realize how I perform at the elite level consistently but more importantly, I might have one of the best record in picking major upsets.. Jhonny Gonzalez > Mares, Garcia>Lucas etc the list is so long I dont even remember... So " real talk " my friend i dont mean to brag but let's not act like Im not one of the brightest Boxing minds on Saddo..

Anyway I agree with you and Ross regarding Felix Sturm.. Sturm is more than credible as an opponent for GGG..

I didnt say sturm was less credible for the record. I just said Lee is as good as Sturm. Id actually fancy him because he is a good boxer and Sturm hasnt much power. Sturms been ducking GGG for years, I highly doubt he will make himself available for a fight.

[Ron Swanson]

I get where your head is now but I still don't agree. The notion is he's not taking a big fight because he's cleaning out 160, well then why has he fought so many 154 fighters? Is he cleaning out 160 or 154?

And since when do you clean out a division by fighting guys outside the top 10?

If a Sergio fight was lined up, Quillen, Sturm I'd say do your thing even though I don't think particularly highly of any of them.(I used to think highly of Sergio but I don't know what he has left, I hope he returns to form) But these guys have shown no interest in fighting him.

If HBO continues to get good ratings for GGG vs guys ranked outside the top 10 and Jr.Middles they're smart to keep lining them up. And if GGGs pay keeps increasing he's smart to keep taking these useless fights. But I don't understand boxing fans supporting this false notion he's "cleaning" out middleweight. "Cleaning" implies it's in process. It's talked about but it's not in process. A Geale fight could qualify but a Lee fight does not, a Kirkland fight does not.

[Rantcatrat]

I get where your head is now but I still don't agree. The notion is he's not taking a big fight because he's cleaning out 160, well then why has he fought so many 154 fighters? Is he cleaning out 160 or 154?

And since when do you clean out a division by fighting guys outside the top 10?

If a Sergio fight was lined up, Quillen, Sturm I'd say do your thing even though I don't think particularly highly of any of them.(I used to think highly of Sergio but I don't know what he has left, I hope he returns to form) But these guys have shown no interest in fighting him.

If HBO continues to get good ratings for GGG vs guys ranked outside the top 10 and Jr.Middles they're smart to keep lining them up. And if GGGs pay keeps increasing he's smart to keep taking these useless fights. But I don't understand boxing fans supporting this false notion he's "cleaning" out middleweight. "Cleaning" implies it's in process. It's talked about but it's not in process. A Geale fight could qualify but a Lee fight does not, a Kirkland fight does not.

I'm glad we're slowly understanding each other. I too understand your points. Adama wasn't in the top ten, but he was a legitimate middleweight that gave Geale a rough night's work and had never been stopped. However, most importantly, the fight wasn't on HBO. He also fought Ishida off American networks. So, two of the fights you complain about were not on HBO in order to keep active. I see the point in that at least for a certain period of time.

Rosado is a 154/160 guy. He gave Quillin problems. He beat J'Leon Love. I'm not saying he's a world beater but he's decent. GGG sliced him up. This was also on HBO After Dark, which doesn't pay as much, or get the same treatment as a regular HBO show.

Proksa, Macklin and Stevens were top ten middleweights when GGG fought them. Frankly, I put Quillin, Geale, Sturm and Murray on the level of or right above these guys. Quillin won't face GGG because he is on Showtime. Murray and Sturm have avoided GGG and are set to face each other.

Martinez won't fight him before he fights Cotto. If he gets by Cotto, he has to fight GGG or he loses face. I also think a fight with Martinez is worth waiting for because Martinez holds the lineal middleweight belt and is on everyone's list of current best fighters. It would be a good fight for GGG's career.

So, this is how I see things playing out. GGG faces Lee or Geale (who are in the top ten or right outside it) in April and the other one at the end of the summer. He then tries to make a fight with Martinez at the end of the year. If by the end of 2014, we have seen no improvement in challenges, I'm with you, he should move up.

Now also understand that I don't rank GGG in my top ten p4p or anything like that. It's premature to do so when he hasn't faced too much top competition (I felt the same about Broner and Canelo).

Ward is number two on most people's list. He deserves more scrutiny than someone unranked. He needs to find a capable dance partner sooner than later, which probably means he needs to move up.

[Ron Swanson]

Where we part ways is Ward deserves more scrutiny, Ward wants the fight! How does the guy that wants the fight get scrutiny and the guy that doesn't want the fight get a pass?

We differ on our opinion of the middleweights, we generally agree on the placement but I do not consider Proska quality and he went DOWN in weight after proved he wasn't. I do not consider Rosado quality and all his losses prove that, I do not consider Stephens quality etcetera. We are talking about a champion of 12 title fights he should be fighting championship level not fringe contender after fringe contender.

I was a fan and want to be again but he's been talking about what he WILL do for a long time. In your best case scenario you HOPE he fights Sergio at the end of the year. I'm tired of hoping. There's a good fighter saying let's do it, do it. If Ward is unfair Froch said he wanted the fight as well. At least see what the offer before you decline.

[Rantcatrat]

Where we part ways is Ward deserves more scrutiny, Ward wants the fight! How does the guy that wants the fight get scrutiny and the guy that doesn't want the fight get a pass?

We differ on our opinion of the middleweights, we generally agree on the placement but I do not consider Proska quality and he went DOWN in weight after proved he wasn't. I do not consider Rosado quality and all his losses prove that, I do not consider Stephens quality etcetera. We are talking about a champion of 12 title fights he should be fighting championship level not fringe contender after fringe contender.

I was a fan and want to be again but he's been talking about what he WILL do for a long time. In your best case scenario you HOPE he fights Sergio at the end of the year. I'm tired of hoping. There's a good fighter saying let's do it, do it. If Ward is unfair Froch said he wanted the fight as well. At least see what the offer before you decline.

Ward wants the fight against a guy COMING UP in weight and Ward is consensus number two on most people's p4p lists. GGG is unranked. Ward himself could go up in weight and get fights as big as GGG with Hopkins, Kovalev, Pascal or Stevenson. Wins over any of those light heavyweights does more for Ward than against a middleweight coming up and he'll make as much money. Thus, he deserves scrutiny. GGG gets a pass for now because he would have to go up in weight before he has cleaned out the division. Ward also gets a pass for not facing Stevenson or Kovalev because he would be going up in weight to do it, although Ward has cleaned out the division. Why should he wait around at 168 when there is no one else to face?

Also, how is his hype undeserved? Perhaps you're overestimating the amount of hype he's getting. He's not considered the second coming. He's no Broner or Canelo 2013. Ring Magazine had Broner ranked in their top 6 p4p before Maidana clarified things. Canelo is still in their top ten. That's also the definition of hype. GGG is just the second best middleweight in the world. He's earned that level of hype or close to it in my opinion.

Just to clarify, you agree that he hasn't ducked anyone at 160, right? So, the only competition you think he should be criticized for is at 168?

[Silkeyjoe]

Where we part ways is Ward deserves more scrutiny, Ward wants the fight! How does the guy that wants the fight get scrutiny and the guy that doesn't want the fight get a pass?

We differ on our opinion of the middleweights, we generally agree on the placement but I do not consider Proska quality and he went DOWN in weight after proved he wasn't. I do not consider Rosado quality and all his losses prove that, I do not consider Stephens quality etcetera. We are talking about a champion of 12 title fights he should be fighting championship level not fringe contender after fringe contender.

I was a fan and want to be again but he's been talking about what he WILL do for a long time. In your best case scenario you HOPE he fights Sergio at the end of the year. I'm tired of hoping. There's a good fighter saying let's do it, do it. If Ward is unfair Froch said he wanted the fight as well. At least see what the offer before you decline.

Ward wants the fight against a guy COMING UP in weight and Ward is consensus number two on most people's p4p lists. GGG is unranked. Ward himself could go up in weight and get fights as big as GGG with Hopkins, Kovalev, Pascal or Stevenson. Wins over any of those light heavyweights does more for Ward than against a middleweight coming up and he'll make as much money. Thus, he deserves scrutiny. GGG gets a pass for now because he would have to go up in weight before he has cleaned out the division. Ward also gets a pass for not facing Stevenson or Kovalev because he would be going up in weight to do it, although Ward has cleaned out the division. Why should he wait around at 168 when there is no one else to face?

Also, how is his hype undeserved? Perhaps you're overestimating the amount of hype he's getting. He's not considered the second coming. He's no Broner or Canelo 2013. Ring Magazine had Broner ranked in their top 6 p4p before Maidana clarified things. Canelo is still in their top ten. That's also the definition of hype. GGG is just the second best middleweight in the world. He's earned that level of hype or close to it in my opinion.

Just to clarify, you agree that he hasn't ducked anyone at 160, right? So, the only competition you think he should be criticized for is at 168?

I see both sides here but I dont see why GGG should be criticised for not moving up. He is fighting again in April. He is one of the most active champs and while his competition is not high profile the way they have performed against other champions should show how well he did against them. Mack leading against Martinez, and in very close fight with Sturm, Rosado did very well against Quillin. I feel bad for him because even if he does get a fight agaisnt these guys and beats them easily hell get criticised for fighting these guys instead of moving up.

[Ron Swanson]

Ward wants the fight against a guy COMING UP in weight and Ward is consensus number two on most people's p4p lists. GGG is unranked. Ward himself could go up in weight and get fights as big as GGG with Hopkins, Kovalev, Pascal or Stevenson. Wins over any of those light heavyweights does more for Ward than against a middleweight coming up and he'll make as much money. Thus, he deserves scrutiny. GGG gets a pass for now because he would have to go up in weight before he has cleaned out the division. Ward also gets a pass for not facing Stevenson or Kovalev because he would be going up in weight to do it, although Ward has cleaned out the division. Why should he wait around at 168 when there is no one else to face?

Also, how is his hype undeserved? Perhaps you're overestimating the amount of hype he's getting. He's not considered the second coming. He's no Broner or Canelo 2013. Ring Magazine had Broner ranked in their top 6 p4p before Maidana clarified things. Canelo is still in their top ten. That's also the definition of hype. GGG is just the second best middleweight in the world. He's earned that level of hype or close to it in my opinion.

Just to clarify, you agree that he hasn't ducked anyone at 160, right? So, the only competition you think he should be criticized for is at 168?[/QUOTE]


I'm rather sure I never said anything about hype. I don't think GGG has ever avoided anyone at 160. But I don't see any evidence he is cleaning out 160. Proska was at 154 last time I checked, Rosado moved up for big fights and back down to 154. Ishida came from 154. I can't recall the busy african with the tremendous back story but he came from 154.

Let me be perfectly clear. I'm good with a Geale fight, I'm not good with Kirkland because yet again 154. I'm not good with Andy Lee because Julio Cesar Chavez destroyed him and Brian Vera KOed him as well, yhat tells you all you need to know. If it's Geale that IME is his 2nd fight towards cleaning out the division to go with Macklin. That's 2 fights in the 3 years since I said I thought he was the best MW in the world. He's fighting a lot. There should be more than 2 and one isn't even signed. I fully expect him to take on Lee.

If he picks Geale, good. If not his excuse of cleaning out the division is dead and buried from my perspective.

[Ron Swanson]

Great news boxingscene has an article up where Golovkins trainer says they are willing to fight Ward at 50/50. Let's hope this goes somewhere.
(Sorry I can't do a link from my phone. Also sorry my phone has messed up a bunch of quotes today)

[Dia bando]

GGG V Ward a fight for the purists, can't see it generating much interest with the general public.!
it's a good fight for us fans, Lee will take a beating and last as long as GGG lets him, well JC Jr
take a look at them sparring on Youtube, he beat the shit out of Jr.