Russia vs Ukraine..

[Beanz]

Bush would of pushed Putin over the line and said "that's it. we going to war"

No because W said he looked in Putin's soul and saw him as good, BUT W did have his history of following through with threats...I mean Saddam ain't talking much shit right now is he?

Saddam isnt putin.

No one wants it with russia.

For an american el kabong you seem to have a lot of support for that side of the world inc a certain boxer...nothing wrong with that, just an observation..

Yes a Ukrainian whose country has just been invaded by Russia.

[El Kabong]

Bush would of pushed Putin over the line and said "that's it. we going to war"

No because W said he looked in Putin's soul and saw him as good, BUT W did have his history of following through with threats...I mean Saddam ain't talking much shit right now is he?

Saddam isnt putin.

No one wants it with russia.

For an american el kabong you seem to have a lot of support for that side of the world inc a certain boxer...nothing wrong with that, just an observation..

At the VERY least harsh economic sanctions are in order

No one wants it with the US either

Oh I'm sorry pumpkin, I just saw a nation that hosted the Olympics invade another country to "rescue their brothers who speak the same language" and just so happened to be near a nice deep water port and I guess I just had a little déjà vu....but I guess I can wait until Belgium..... I mean to see what Putin's got in store.

[Kirkland Laing]

There is one main highway through Iraq from Kuwait that goes to Baghdad.The amazing invasion plan was drive up the highway from Kuwait to Baghdad. Apart from some isolated incidents the Iraqis just let the Americans get on with it. Nobody ever siad that America couldn't easily take Iraq over, it was what happened once they did that that was the difficult bit.

So would you send NATO troops into the Crimean peninsula?

#1 then that means it wouldn't be the "invasion" part that would be difficult then would it there Mr. Wordsmith? It would be the OCCUPATION that would be difficult and that was only difficult because of the small number of forces the Coalition Forces used AND the idiotic idea to oust 100% of everyone from Saddam down to the head dog catcher in bumfuck Iraq. We lost the stability of the status quo before rearranging things and that was the major issue...don't know how many times I have to go over that part but whatever.


#2 Yes, on a peace keeping mission. If the Russians are dumb enough to fire on NATO troops then well it would be time to set things right.


Listen I know Russia is feeling pretty fucking awesome at the moment due to their resurgent economy (based on oil production/drilling....kind of like what America COULD have if Obama wasn't such a fucking idiot) and they've had some little victories with their military as they've been unopposed by the "grown ups" of the world....but if the world doesn't hurry up and give Russia a reality check then the USSR is going to be back in a very big and very real way....and I'm certain YOU of all people will be wet your pants excited about your comrades getting their act together.

Nobody in the States even mentioned any occupation problems. You lot were told the troops were going to get sweets and flowers thrown at them by different Iraqi ethnic groups who had no past history of conflict. Once the troops managed to drive up the only road in Iraq to Baghdad Bush changed the subject from the nonexistent WMDs to we have to stay there to bring them democracy, if we don't bring them democracy the terrorists win.

So you'd actually send NATO troops into an area of land full of Russian military bases and Russian troops. And if the Russians took exception to this you'd start a war. Luckily no NATO members or the United States, as back in 2008 in South Osseatia, are dumb or suicidal enough to want to send troops in. I don't even think there is a single US politician advocating sending troops in, even the ones who work for the US war industry. Just you.

And Russia hasn't won a victory here. Putin invaded the Crimea because everythinghe'd spent the last few years trying to do in Ukraine has failed dismally. The Russian version of Fox News is telling their bedwetters that the US/CIA/EU have overthrown a democratically elected government in the Ukraine and have extended the criminal EU a thousand miles east right to the Russian border since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Russia has blown through 15% of their foreign currency reserves propping up the rouble in the past week. Based on this and the prospect of sanctions and foreign customers buying energy elsewhere they don't have the income or the currency reserves to take over even other parts of the Ukraine that don't want them there.

They may just about afford to hang onto the Crimea. Forget about any other areas of the former Soviet Union, they just couldn't afford to fund any kind of extensive military occupation anywhere. As usual you're wetting the bed over nonexistent "threats" that have no basisi in reality.

[Kirkland Laing]

The problem with Obama is simple.

Obama: "Here's a red line, don't you dare step across it"

Putin: (steps over line) "What happens now?"


Obama: ___________________


It's that fucking simple. If I said "Stop it, or else" to a bully, and the bully kept being a bully with no repercussions then what the fuck do you think the bully is going to make of my next threats?

Bush would of pushed Putin over the line and said "that's it. we going to war"

In 2008 Russia invaded South Ossetia. Bush did exactly what Obama has done.

[Kirkland Laing]

The problem with Obama is simple.

Obama: "Here's a red line, don't you dare step across it"

Putin: (steps over line) "What happens now?"


Obama: ___________________


It's that fucking simple. If I said "Stop it, or else" to a bully, and the bully kept being a bully with no repercussions then what the fuck do you think the bully is going to make of my next threats?

What red line of Obama's did Putin step over?

[palmerq]

so now it seems crimea has been recognised as an independant country or whatever :S..... well if 95% of the people vote to leave the ukraine what can you do... I do wonder how genuine the vote is though ... very amusing political game going on though :S

[walrus]

Putin is a mentally unstable dictator

[palmerq]

Putin is a mentally unstable dictator

it seems he has done pretty good for russia here though :S.... bit of a mad man?... yes.... but also a smart guy too

[Gandalf]

Bush would of pushed Putin over the line and said "that's it. we going to war"

No because W said he looked in Putin's soul and saw him as good, BUT W did have his history of following through with threats...I mean Saddam ain't talking much shit right now is he?

Saddam isnt putin.

No one wants it with russia.

For an american el kabong you seem to have a lot of support for that side of the world inc a certain boxer...nothing wrong with that, just an observation..

Yes a Ukrainian whose country has just been invaded by Russia.

You are so despicable. I had no idea your full time job was this. You are a shill.

[Kirkland Laing]

The vote was genuine. In 1991 when the Soviet Union split into its constituent parts Yeltsin gave the Crimean peninsula to Ukraine for the first time in history. The people who live there didn't agree with this and held a referendum. Exactly the same percentage of people voted to remain part of Russia. Yeltsin and Ukraine ignored the referendum.

Putin is not mentally unstable. He's very rational.

[Beanz]

Bush would of pushed Putin over the line and said "that's it. we going to war"

No because W said he looked in Putin's soul and saw him as good, BUT W did have his history of following through with threats...I mean Saddam ain't talking much shit right now is he?

Saddam isnt putin.

No one wants it with russia.

For an american el kabong you seem to have a lot of support for that side of the world inc a certain boxer...nothing wrong with that, just an observation..

Yes a Ukrainian whose country has just been invaded by Russia.

You are so despicable. I had no idea your full time job was this. You are a shill.

Full time job was what? posting once every couple days an opinion that does not coincide with yours? Who is really the dictator now then?

[Gandalf]

Bush would of pushed Putin over the line and said "that's it. we going to war"

No because W said he looked in Putin's soul and saw him as good, BUT W did have his history of following through with threats...I mean Saddam ain't talking much shit right now is he?

Saddam isnt putin.

No one wants it with russia.

For an american el kabong you seem to have a lot of support for that side of the world inc a certain boxer...nothing wrong with that, just an observation..

Yes a Ukrainian whose country has just been invaded by Russia.

You are so despicable. I had no idea your full time job was this. You are a shill.

Full time job was what? posting once every couple days an opinion that does not coincide with yours? Who is really the dictator now then?

You are taking the Western spin to heart.

You ignore 5bn dollars spent to set it up by America. You ignore the shootings of police and protestors by snipers.

Russia then came in and frowned on an obvious coup. Would you support Pinnochet? The book has been followed to a tee. I am amazed that Russia has been so restrained.

Europe is disaster hell hole, wreaking havoc in every nation. Nobody wants it. It needs to fall, every member state needs to rise up and resist.

Even in a non-economic slave country like the UK, it has destroyed the nation. The result is an addition to other slave creating conditions.

[Gandalf]

Now, where would you like my honesty to end? After all, I don't believe you have the hearts of anyone in mind. You are a shill that wants what is and for it to continue.

I think you are a heartless failure of the British people. The Ukraine is an extension. More failed people to be sold to the EURO, but it didn't easily happen.

Now why did a silly Englishman become such a shill? That is my question about you.

I don't think anyone here should trust you. At least my views are honest ones, you on the other hand, are an ideologically dangerous person globally.

[Beanz]

Miles you have completely lost it.

[Gandalf]

No, I haven't and that was my point. I am as on cue as ever and I see through your lies in an instant. You are not an Englishman. You are a new Englishman, but you are not an Englishman.

Coup - Snipers - Coup. "Greenbeanz'-oooh, Russian invasion. World....."

You are a shill, and you are offended at anyone not being such a shill.

It was a military coup and nobody in the real world sees your story, you faking charlatan.

Putin did the right thing, we should be saluting them