Which method generates more power?

[greynotsoold]

he wasn't getting much into the punch from his hips or his legs. He was drawing it back and throwing it from his arms and shoulders.
Freddie falls into a trap here in his way of explaining things, and it is a common one in boxing and it confuses a lot of people and leads to things being taught improperly. I am not saying he is wrong in the way he teaches it- I have seen him work at his gym in Hollywood and know people that he trained when he first went on his own and was working out of a gym in La Habra. But the explanation is wrong and conveys the wrong sequence for weight transference.
The pivot of the right foot does NOT generate the power in the right hand; it is a result of how that power is generated. The same is true of the left hook; the power does not come from the turn of the left foot, not if you are doing it right. Doing it that way puts the weight behind the punch, which makes it a push. You need to get the weight turned in front of the fist, creating a whip-like effect and concussive force.
To throw a hook, then, the first movement is to get your weight onto the rear leg. You use the muscles on that side of your body to violently wrench your body around. The first place this manifests itself is on the front foot; the violent torquing of the hips causes the foot to pivot inward. The next place it shows is in the shoulders, which turn fully over the rear leg. The fist itself never moves- it does not draw back- until the bodily tension whips it through the target.
If you watch the video, that guy is throwing the hook off his front foot. The weight never gets back to the right leg. This would show up, profoundly, if he were to try and string together punches, another right hand, for example.
My suggestion to you would be this: Exaggerate your movements until you find the feel. Throw your straight left- you are a southpaw, correct?- and really get your weight onto your front foot, then turn through it. You will feel the force I am talking about. Then get your weight back and crank off a hook. You'll find the feeling.
This is very much how Julian Jackson punched. I read an interview with him in KO magazine in the late 1980s where he talked about how he was taught and I stole liberally from what he said.

[cambay411]

In any sport there are some fundamental mechanics and techniques that are pretty much universal. Like the pivot in your lead foot on a lead hook or the snap of your wrist in a jump shot in basketball.


Sometimes a coach/trainer/teacher can get fixated on small details or even be too stubborn to realize the exact way they do something is not the only way. When this happens it can limit the athlete to opening up and learning there own style.


Outside of a lot of basic techniques and mechanics a fighter should learn, they have to learn their own style.

[Scrap]

Simply what generates power, to the mobilizations of Muscle and form is the floor. Understanding that youre halfway there.

[OMGWTF]

Simply what generates power, to the mobilizations of Muscle and form is the floor. Understanding that youre halfway there.

Thats awesome scrap and mysterious at the same time lol do you mean, those that dont use the ground as leverage rotate thir feet, but those using the ground and grip opimally appear not to be using thir legs, but thats because they are getting leverage from the ground and not loosing any leverage by allowing "give" in their feet?

But they still cant get the same drive from their legs this way but they might be getting a more forceful rotation!?

[Scrap]

Simply what generates power, to the mobilizations of Muscle and form is the floor. Understanding that youre halfway there.

Thats awesome scrap and mysterious at the same time lol do you mean, those that dont use the ground as leverage rotate thir feet, but those using the ground and grip opimally appear not to be using thir legs, but thats because they are getting leverage from the ground and not loosing any leverage by allowing "give" in their feet?

But they still cant get the same drive from their legs this way but they might be getting a more forceful rotation!?

Answer to all this, lies in the thumb, and its Kinetic loop with everything. Elbow, Shoulder, Hips, Feet they all evolved together, to keep the head in the correct place, lots of years ago.

[Scrap]

Simply what generates power, to the mobilizations of Muscle and form is the floor. Understanding that youre halfway there.

Thats awesome scrap and mysterious at the same time lol do you mean, those that dont use the ground as leverage rotate thir feet, but those using the ground and grip opimally appear not to be using thir legs, but thats because they are getting leverage from the ground and not loosing any leverage by allowing "give" in their feet?

But they still cant get the same drive from their legs this way but they might be getting a more forceful rotation!?

Answer to all this, lies in the thumb, and its Kinetic loop with everything. Elbow, Shoulder, Hips, Feet they all evolved together, to keep the head in the correct place, lots of years ago.

Forgot the Knees

[Scrap]

Simply what generates power, to the mobilizations of Muscle and form is the floor. Understanding that youre halfway there.

Thats awesome scrap and mysterious at the same time lol do you mean, those that dont use the ground as leverage rotate thir feet, but those using the ground and grip opimally appear not to be using thir legs, but thats because they are getting leverage from the ground and not loosing any leverage by allowing "give" in their feet?

But they still cant get the same drive from their legs this way but they might be getting a more forceful rotation!?

Its all to do with the legs, and where the Head is in relation to the Feet.

[OMGWTF]

he wasn't getting much into the punch from his hips or his legs. He was drawing it back and throwing it from his arms and shoulders.
Freddie falls into a trap here in his way of explaining things, and it is a common one in boxing and it confuses a lot of people and leads to things being taught improperly. I am not saying he is wrong in the way he teaches it- I have seen him work at his gym in Hollywood and know people that he trained when he first went on his own and was working out of a gym in La Habra. But the explanation is wrong and conveys the wrong sequence for weight transference.
The pivot of the right foot does NOT generate the power in the right hand; it is a result of how that power is generated. The same is true of the left hook; the power does not come from the turn of the left foot, not if you are doing it right. Doing it that way puts the weight behind the punch, which makes it a push. You need to get the weight turned in front of the fist, creating a whip-like effect and concussive force.
To throw a hook, then, the first movement is to get your weight onto the rear leg. You use the muscles on that side of your body to violently wrench your body around. The first place this manifests itself is on the front foot; the violent torquing of the hips causes the foot to pivot inward. The next place it shows is in the shoulders, which turn fully over the rear leg. The fist itself never moves- it does not draw back- until the bodily tension whips it through the target.
If you watch the video, that guy is throwing the hook off his front foot. The weight never gets back to the right leg. This would show up, profoundly, if he were to try and string together punches, another right hand, for example.
My suggestion to you would be this: Exaggerate your movements until you find the feel. Throw your straight left- you are a southpaw, correct?- and really get your weight onto your front foot, then turn through it. You will feel the force I am talking about. Then get your weight back and crank off a hook. You'll find the feeling.
This is very much how Julian Jackson punched. I read an interview with him in KO magazine in the late 1980s where he talked about how he was taught and I stole liberally from what he said.

Greynotsoold is clearly better than the world class trainer that is freddie roach, in-fact id go as far as saying freddie sucks compared to you grey. Ive never had better answers/info from anyone ever on boxing technique! You readers may not believe that, but I invite you to try the shoulder swirl method he also teaches, and tell me it doesn't provide more power than the way freddie teaches to punch. See for yourself try it.

Thanks a million friend!