my problem with showtime commentator scorecards

[powerpuncher]

First off, I like paulie and Bernstein as commentators but their whole argument was ridiculous at the end of the garica/herrera fight. It was a very close fight and I scored it 115-113 for Garcia. I wouldn't have minded a draw or a herrera win. The problem was that they all scored it about 116-112 for herrera and complaining that 2 judges scored it that way for Garcia. I don't see any difference in the extremity of the scoring. Actually, if they were the judges then I might say that they were bias judges. Again, it was a close fight and I didn't at all think the scoring was bad.

[Hulk]

Herrera won. It was pretty clear he landed the cleaner punches n more of them despite showstats.

[powerpuncher]

I thought he landed more but Garcia landed the bigger punches throughout the fight. It definitely wasn't a clear cut win for either guy for sure

[ykdadamaja]

It was a boring fight. But, in other matters- Garcia looked lethargic. He was clearly not focused to fight hard as he had looked in the past. Perhaps he took this Herrera guy a little too lightly?

Terrible fight for Garcia... it wasn't a good showing. Whatever he did or was doing in preparation for this fight, he should change it.... DRAMATICALLY!!

But, then again, it could be a Mayweather/Castillo 1 type of situation. Things happen.

[Rantcatrat]

I thought Herrera decidedly won a tight fight. What I mean is I don't see how you could have Garcia winning, but I didn't think Herrera won by more than a score of 8-4 or 7-5 scores. He controlled the tempo of the fight the whole night-- the right generalship goes to Herrera in almost every round. Garcia never got into a groove. I also never thought Garcia hit him cleanly, which is testament to Herrera's defense. Once Garcia's low blows and his left hook were taken away, he didn't have anything else. He never adjusted to Herrera. The bottom line is that this wasn't a robbery, but Garcia got a gift decision.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I thought Herrera decidedly won a tight fight. What I mean is I don't see how you could have Garcia winning, but I didn't think Herrera won by more than a score of 8-4 or 7-5 scores. He controlled the tempo of the fight the whole night-- the right generalship goes to Herrera in almost every round. Garcia never got into a groove. I also never thought Garcia hit him cleanly, which is testament to Herrera's defense. Once Garcia's low blows and his left hook were taken away, he didn't have anything else. He never adjusted to Herrera. The bottom line is that this wasn't a robbery, but Garcia got a gift decision.

I agree with this in most parts except Garcia did hit him cleanly at times and to be fair, there wasn't a great deal of clean punching from either side.

[Hulk]

Herrera was faster, had a better jab and was much better at in fighting in the clinch.

He made up for his lack of power with those assets. His jab was unorthodox but very good.

He won.

[beenKOed]

I agree, Herrera won the fight.

[powerpuncher]

you guys are talking like garcia didnt do anything in the fight. i agree that garcia looked lost at times in the fight but he clearly won some rounds by countering and getting the better of herrera in some exchanges. herrera controlled the pace of the fight but overall i thought that garcia landed the most crisp and effective punches in the fight. again, it was a close fight either way but in no way a bad decision.

[johnsebastianmiran]

Herrera said it himself, his friends called him pillow fists but what he lacked in power he made up in technique and sticking to his plan. He did land cleanly but with a nickname like pillow fists you won't see all of the punches he landed.

[powerpuncher]

Herrera said it himself, his friends called him pillow fists but what he lacked in power he made up in technique and sticking to his plan. He did land cleanly but with a nickname like pillow fists you won't see all of the punches he landed.

just because you have "pillow fists" doesnt mean that you cant see the punches land.

[Rantcatrat]

you guys are talking like garcia didnt do anything in the fight. i agree that garcia looked lost at times in the fight but he clearly won some rounds by countering and getting the better of herrera in some exchanges. herrera controlled the pace of the fight but overall i thought that garcia landed the most crisp and effective punches in the fight. again, it was a close fight either way but in no way a bad decision.

It was a bad decision. I've watched it now a couple of times. Garcia was never in control of the fight. Frankly, he only landed cleanly on a couple of occasions. Not this means too much, but he looked bloodied up after the fight and Herrera looked like he did when the fight started.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

you guys are talking like garcia didnt do anything in the fight. i agree that garcia looked lost at times in the fight but he clearly won some rounds by countering and getting the better of herrera in some exchanges. herrera controlled the pace of the fight but overall i thought that garcia landed the most crisp and effective punches in the fight. again, it was a close fight either way but in no way a bad decision.

It was a bad decision. I've watched it now a couple of times. Garcia was never in control of the fight. Frankly, he only landed cleanly on a couple of occasions. Not this means too much, but he looked bloodied up after the fight and Herrera looked like he did when the fight started.

Just goes to show hoe subjective scoring can be. It'd be worth seeing what Fightscorecollecter has found.