Is this the worst era in HW boxing history?

[walrus]

im surprised a number of you say Wlad is one of the greatest Heavyweights of all time. On paper I would say that is true but in style I would disagree. Having said that I will defer to you guys as I haven't really followed his career. I really can't stand watching him fight. I have only watched a couple of his fights so I am not position to say anyone to say those who feel he is top three material is wrong. Still, having a Heavyweight champ many of us can't stand watching speaks volumes to me.

[powerpuncher]

im surprised a number of you say Wlad is one of the greatest Heavyweights of all time. On paper I would say that is true but in style I would disagree. Having said that I will defer to you guys as I haven't really followed his career. I really can't stand watching him fight. I have only watched a couple of his fights so I am not position to say anyone to say those who feel he is top three material is wrong. Still, having a Heavyweight champ many of us can't stand watching speaks volumes to me.

he isnt. some people just get tricked because he started dominating after all of the decent fighters retired.

[Max Power]

@powerpuncher

And that's all there is to it ey, boxing died, all of the decent HW's retired and all of Wlad's opponents are garbage ey? A whole decade of opponents now in a globalised sport?

Not likely bud!

And your summary of my positions whilst containing accuracy leaves many specifics unturned. OF course many so called "experts" are biased or untruthful, that goes for all sports. Hell, trainers and experts are misleading from fight to fight currently let alone when commenting far in the past.

What about fighters like Ruslan Chagaev, Hasim Rahman, Sultan Ibragimov, David Haye, Tony Thompson, Samuel Peter, Alexander Povetkin. They are real push-overs there those opponents!!

If guys like your precious Muhammad Ali had the same run of opponents like that then he'd be in double digit losses in no time!! Fact!

[powerpuncher]

@powerpuncher

And that's all there is to it ey, boxing died, all of the decent HW's retired and all of Wlad's opponents are garbage ey? A whole decade of opponents now in a globalised sport?

Not likely bud!

And your summary of my positions whilst containing accuracy leaves many specifics unturned. OF course many so called "experts" are biased or untruthful, that goes for all sports. Hell, trainers and experts are misleading from fight to fight currently let alone when commenting far in the past.

What about fighters like Ruslan Chagaev, Hasim Rahman, Sultan Ibragimov, David Haye, Tony Thompson, Samuel Peter, Alexander Povetkin. They are real push-overs there those opponents!!

If guys like your precious Muhammad Ali had the same run of opponents like that then he'd be in double digit losses in no time!! Fact!

like i always say, the klits didnt start dominating until after lewis retired along with the other HWs that lewis was fighting during his career. the klits did fight a few of those guys those WAY after their primes which doesnt really mean much. lets put it this way, arreola, who is a top HW now, is in no way better than ruiz, byrd, rahman (prime), tua, holyfield (even older holyfield), briggs, golota, mccall, and many others who all fought at the same time. and that group of HWs really isnt even that great. they are just alright. same as fighters like chagaev and ibramigov who you think are actually good. or even povetkin. povetkin is terrible. he is super slow and doesnt have much of a punch or hardly any skills and yet, wlad had to hold and push him the whole fight.

and you cant say fact about ali having double digit losses if he fought now because its an opinion. and again, like i always tell you, pretty much any boxer, trainer, expert, etc would 100% disagree with you but you would just say that it is bias which you think makes you win the argument.

[Max Power]

@powerpuncher

And that's all there is to it ey, boxing died, all of the decent HW's retired and all of Wlad's opponents are garbage ey? A whole decade of opponents now in a globalised sport?

Not likely bud!

And your summary of my positions whilst containing accuracy leaves many specifics unturned. OF course many so called "experts" are biased or untruthful, that goes for all sports. Hell, trainers and experts are misleading from fight to fight currently let alone when commenting far in the past.

What about fighters like Ruslan Chagaev, Hasim Rahman, Sultan Ibragimov, David Haye, Tony Thompson, Samuel Peter, Alexander Povetkin. They are real push-overs there those opponents!!

If guys like your precious Muhammad Ali had the same run of opponents like that then he'd be in double digit losses in no time!! Fact!

like i always say, the klits didnt start dominating until after lewis retired along with the other HWs that lewis was fighting during his career. the klits did fight a few of those guys those WAY after their primes which doesnt really mean much. lets put it this way, arreola, who is a top HW now, is in no way better than ruiz, byrd, rahman (prime), tua, holyfield (even older holyfield), briggs, golota, mccall, and many others who all fought at the same time. and that group of HWs really isnt even that great. they are just alright. same as fighters like chagaev and ibramigov who you think are actually good. or even povetkin. povetkin is terrible. he is super slow and doesnt have much of a punch or hardly any skills and yet, wlad had to hold and push him the whole fight.

and you cant say fact about ali having double digit losses if he fought now because its an opinion. and again, like i always tell you, pretty much any boxer, trainer, expert, etc would 100% disagree with you but you would just say that it is bias which you think makes you win the argument.

I am a big fan of those 90's boxers man but the prime version of Wladimir is a force to be reckoned with against any of them and Chris Arreola is NO WORSE than most all of those fighters you mentioned either, same for Ibragimov and the rest you mentioned.

I think Alexander Povetkin is much better than your describing him. The fact he didn't have the biggest punch means he must have had good skills to be where he is. He still has good power, he had good skills and other etc, he is a good all-round boxer, great ant not 1 thing but good at lots. And he has good chin!

But you can go with what you think, I don't care.

On the Muhammad Ali thing I think there's a surprising and ever growing number that see it the other way round mate!! Show me a Russian expert who thinks Muhammad Ali could beat Sultan Ibragimov, just one??

[Max Power]

Review Sultan vs Whitaker and imagine Muhammad against that monster and consider do you think he could pull that off?

The man bashed Holyfield and Briggs too ffs. And yeah yeah they weren't prime sure but it was still Holyfield and Briggs and all their past experience!

[Mr140]

Ali could beat damn near anyone not saying he would not lose but he had a hell of a chin and boxing ability was pretty up there. Wald is a great heavy and all but he got really good when a lot of the talent was gone really. Haye is good but has not fought comp really and that's his fault because he fights once and a while Bryde is a his best win and i can respect that. Foreman was in his 40's when Morrison fought him and he fought scared most of the time during that fight. Sultan didn't have many fights had hard time with Austin best win is Holyfeild in his late 40's. Problem with Wald is he lost to a Journeyman and was Iced by Sanders and never avenged it which kinda dent on his career. He may be better now but when the divsion had some life in it he has some loses he didn't make up and that always going to be a question mark over him for it still in the top 15 though maybe even top 10.

[Mr140]

So max what is that you have to say Haye so great but has no fucking wins worth a shit his best one a 46 year old Holyfeild beat. Lost to the only good fighters he was with Thompson and Wald. Sultan beat a yet again Holyfeild in he mid 40's and had a draw with Austin and lost ever round to Wald. As for Wlad he got beat bad by some of the contenders of the 90's Brewster and Sanders then early in his career lost to Journeyman. He got better but i don't even fell besides Bryde that anyone he beat was better then Sanders was really and he was just another guy back in the 90's era. Ali same height as Brewster and Purtty or what ever his name is his reach is the same as Wlad almost i think he could win it on cuts and just dart in and out he had a lot of speed on Wlad he may not win but his chances are pretty good.