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Mr140
Ali was already having signs of Parkinson before fighting Holmes at almost the age of 39 what a pointless thing to point out his corner throw in the towel also i believe. Holyfeild Had hep b and Hart problems during the Bowe fight wasn't really iced was he. Bringing up fights when he was well in his 40's doesn't mean shit really your prime is gone at 40 not everyone is Hopkins. I won't bring up Wlads loses when he is in his 40's because it is point less he got knocked the fuck out when he was in prime body wise. He has not been knocked since but to be honest i don't think he fought a guy as good as Sanders since then. Chambers should be Cw, Eddie should be a CW, Peters fat blob in which he never should of had a hard time with, then he fought few ok contenders. Bryde is his best win yet again could very well been a CW. And has yet to fight Vitali which i know is his brother but hurts him because he was not the man for a lot of his reign because of his brother being champ how can you be a champ if dont fight the best. Not saying he should fight his brother but he doesn't even need to fight all the contenders because of his brother.
David Haye was definitely his best opponent, Samuel Peter was a far more dangerous opponent than Joe Frazier! And so on.
Byrd was his best opponent, what drugs are you on. Byrd has not the firepower to trouble Wladimir or the style. Has had no chance of ever beating Wladimir under any circumstances ever just like Muihammad Ali!
The way you rate fighters man is all back to front! The weaker the boxer, the better they are in your eyes.
Another stupid statement "Sam Peter a fat blob" sure he got fat alright, but against Klit you could see his muscles ripping through. As opposed to pot bellied Frazier who you credit Ali with beating. Let me tell you, if you can see a 6-pack, the boxer is not fat!
I think I declared those reasons for Ali getting stopped already, the point I was trying to make was you can't claim Ali had an iron chin or a better chin than Wlad when he didn't have to fight anywhere near the number of hard punching bxers that Wlad did.
As for Wlad's opponents, we all know what would happen if we lined up Ali's opponents and gave that career list to Thompson, Peter, Haye, Povetkin, Rahman, Chagaev, Ibragimov etc. They would knock almost every single one of them out! Masters of escapology Chambers and Byrd would UD almost all of them and score appreciable KO rates too.
Jean Marc Mormeck would have been considered a 6-time HW champion back in Ali's day and was bigger and leaner than Ali, one of the heftiest non-bum opponentns Ali would have faced and only 1lb lighter than "big" George Foreman!
What for Wladimir was considered a complete mismatch would for Ali have been considered the greatest opponent he'd ever faced.
You also mentioned Chambers and Byrd were blown up cruisers, that's true, so was David Haye! I never said there was anything wrong with that but...
Chambers and Byrd relied on their elusiveness to "steal fights", the opposite of Ali's tactic of taking punches. Insisting on the 60's Ali that wasn't so easy to hit, that guy's style was reliant on his height and range advantage to land which at 6'3" tall is today mediocre and weight advntage to command respect which today would be reversed. Byrd and Chambers were elusive rrespective of size.
As for Haye, tht's interesting because they were the same size. Except Haye is mega-ripped at that weight ad Ali is not (still fit but). Haye is faster and has better reflexes than Ali ever did and his upper body movement allows him to evade piunches from "bigger" opponents unlike Ali who relied only on "running away" from his opponents to win. And of course Hye had a cracker punch where as Ali could not punch through the surface tension of water. I can't see Ali surviving many rounds at all against Haye.
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