Give Pacquiao a break

[Beanflicker]

How could you not have Bradley as a top p4p guy when he beat a top p4p guy in Marquez?

[Beanz]

How could you not have Bradley as a top p4p guy when he beat a top p4p guy in Marquez?

Because as you keep telling us you are only as good as your last fight and Bradley just got owned by a past it Pacquiao. Styles really do make fights and Marquez finally sparking Manny out does not suddenly make him Mike Tyson when Bradley beats him. Marquez is a sublimely gifted boxer but he is getting old. Until he timed Manny coming in he was starting to show his age even in that fight. If Bradley really is a top p4p guy why has Floyd continued to avoid him ? Does he not want a challenge ? Again you can not bring yourself to give Pacquiao any credit and have to big up Tim nice but dim, who has continually fallen short.

[Beanflicker]

How could you not have Bradley as a top p4p guy when he beat a top p4p guy in Marquez?

Because as you keep telling us you are only as good as your last fight and Bradley just got owned by a past it Pacquiao.

I'm talking pre-Pac 2. Certain people are talking like Bradley was a bum, but he was a universally recognized top p4p fighter.

[Beanflicker]

Because as you keep telling us you are only as good as your last fight and Bradley just got owned by a past it Pacquiao. Styles really do make fights and Marquez finally sparking Manny out does not suddenly make him Mike Tyson when Bradley beats him. Marquez is a sublimely gifted boxer but he is getting old. Until he timed Manny coming in he was starting to show his age even in that fight. If Bradley really is a top p4p guy why has Floyd continued to avoid him ? Does he not want a challenge ? Again you can not bring yourself to give Pacquiao any credit and have to big up Tim nice but dim, who has continually fallen short.

I don't know where you get off saying I'm not giving Pac credit. By giving Bradley credit, I am ultimately giving Pac credit because Pac just whipped him convincingly. You guys are the ones discrediting Pac by labelling Bradley as an overrated stiff.

Tim fought a stupid fight, but that's not Pac's problem. He went in there and got the job done like a champ. I take nothing away from Pac.

[Beanz]

Because as you keep telling us you are only as good as your last fight and Bradley just got owned by a past it Pacquiao. Styles really do make fights and Marquez finally sparking Manny out does not suddenly make him Mike Tyson when Bradley beats him. Marquez is a sublimely gifted boxer but he is getting old. Until he timed Manny coming in he was starting to show his age even in that fight. If Bradley really is a top p4p guy why has Floyd continued to avoid him ? Does he not want a challenge ? Again you can not bring yourself to give Pacquiao any credit and have to big up Tim nice but dim, who has continually fallen short.

I don't know where you get off saying I'm not giving Pac credit. By giving Bradley credit, I am ultimately giving Pac credit because Pac just whipped him convincingly. You guys are the ones discrediting Pac by labelling Bradley as an overrated stiff.

Tim fought a stupid fight, but that's not Pac's problem. He went in there and got the job done like a champ. I take nothing away from Pac.

Bradley is not a stiff but my point is that the entire pre and post fight focus seems to still be on Tim fighting a stupid fight. That ultimately is far more disingenuous to Pacquiao than admitting that whatever version of Bradley turned up he was never going to beat Manny. Bradley was not fast enough, clever enough and ultimately not mature enough to beat the faded fighter in front of him. A mature performance is not something he could have utilised because he is Tim Bradley and Tim is not a great fighter. He is a good boxer at times with a lot of heart and a decent chin but that ain't enough when you can not pair that with a brain or the ability to follow the game plan laid out by someone with a bit more nous between the ears.

[FinitoElDinamita]

We can argue that bradley fought a stupid fight but did he really have a choice? Many of us agreed that a close fight will not favor bradley because of what happened in the first fight and that fact that pac is the cash cow.

Bradley had to be better than convincing and the only way to do that was by taking the fight to pac..

Bradley fought the only way he could in order to win.. he made the right choice even though he lost..

I actually think this loss will be beneficial to bradley.. his stock will rise.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Pac wins justice has been done,! we must admit he was robbed in the first fight Bradley is a good
fighter but Pac is better.! I think there a plenty of fights out there for Pac and Bradley, could there
be a rematch how many want to see this fight again.
Floyd V Manny will it happen, does it need too of course it should if this fight never happens, this
will be a travesty networks control what we see, but theses sharks don't like to share great pity.

Money will never give Pac the fight and has no need to since Pac's apparent stoppage of PED usage. Pac's KO's is what made the fight a topic. Not an inability to KO people once Money accused him of PEDS. Last 3 fights have shown his speed is intact but his power is gone. No wonder JMM gave away rounds waiting to counter the reckless Pac. He must of known from the previous fight the power was gone. JMM figured he could blast the midget Bradley and prepared wrong. We all know how he fares in rematches with actual ring experience with foe. JMM will destroy the light hitting Bradley
in a rematch. All this fight proved is all those Pactards that thought Pac was on his way to KOing JMM are delusional. He may have been on his way to winning the fight but not a KO. In a 5th fight a cautious light hitting Pac sans PEDS will finally lose a decision to JMM. No way in hell the new mosquito hitting Pac deserves to fight Money. The light hitting Bradley had Pac fighting backwards at times and was clocked once so hard that he was oh so lucky it was Bradley and not a harder puncher

[Addicted to_boxing]

Both are excellent fighters, but Bradley lost the plot as far as I am concerned. He seemed to really believe that a KO punch would be all it took and considering that he has never been a KO artist and has always ground out wins by being versatile and active, it wasn't very smart boxing. He simply wasn't all that versatile in this fight and at times he was almost asking to be Hatton'ed with his recklessness. He was getting predictable with those wailing wide haymakers. It was as though he was trying to impersonate himself in a fightnight game. I couldn't fathom why he was being so cocky and seemingly so satisfied with a few rounds seemingly handed over on a plate. He should have been up 4-2 and it should have been about using smarts to win a few more rounds. He just wasn't able to focus for 3 minutes of each round.

Manny won the fight, but once again he didn't look particularly impressive. He has clearly lost a step and his output is significantly down on what it used to be and if Bradley was a puncher Manny could have been out of there by the half way mark. Fair play to Manny on grinding it out, but Bradley made it easier for him than it should have been. Bradley is better than that and Manny was better than that, thus I found it lacking in the end.

A good first half, but Bradley lost his marbles and another Top Rank love in was had. What next Manny, Marquez 5? Sheez, he better ask his promoter. I'm tired of Top Rank and want James Toney to fight Bob Arum.

Bradley had no strategy. Another brain fart by trainer Garcia

[TitoFan]

I will say this. I'll rape that lady all day and night instead of getting bend over and taking take it in the ass like Orlando Cruz do

I understand, bro. No need for lengthy explanations.



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[Beanflicker]

Because as you keep telling us you are only as good as your last fight and Bradley just got owned by a past it Pacquiao. Styles really do make fights and Marquez finally sparking Manny out does not suddenly make him Mike Tyson when Bradley beats him. Marquez is a sublimely gifted boxer but he is getting old. Until he timed Manny coming in he was starting to show his age even in that fight. If Bradley really is a top p4p guy why has Floyd continued to avoid him ? Does he not want a challenge ? Again you can not bring yourself to give Pacquiao any credit and have to big up Tim nice but dim, who has continually fallen short.

I don't know where you get off saying I'm not giving Pac credit. By giving Bradley credit, I am ultimately giving Pac credit because Pac just whipped him convincingly. You guys are the ones discrediting Pac by labelling Bradley as an overrated stiff.

Tim fought a stupid fight, but that's not Pac's problem. He went in there and got the job done like a champ. I take nothing away from Pac.

Bradley is not a stiff but my point is that the entire pre and post fight focus seems to still be on Tim fighting a stupid fight. That ultimately is far more disingenuous to Pacquiao than admitting that whatever version of Bradley turned up he was never going to beat Manny. Bradley was not fast enough, clever enough and ultimately not mature enough to beat the faded fighter in front of him. A mature performance is not something he could have utilised because he is Tim Bradley and Tim is not a great fighter. He is a good boxer at times with a lot of heart and a decent chin but that ain't enough when you can not pair that with a brain or the ability to follow the game plan laid out by someone with a bit more nous between the ears.

I agree with pretty much all of that, although I think the fact that he fought a stupid fight is undeniable (whether he could have beat Pac with a different game plan or not we'll never know).

Bradley choose to fight that way, and like you say intelligence is an even bigger part of boxing than skill and athleticism, Manny showed that he was a true champ and an ATG pro by fighting smart and getting the job done. All respect to Manny.