Floyd ducked his way to 45-0? BS

[Silkeyjoe]

The double standard comes from Floyd bein P4P number 1 and a multi millionaire. He should be going for legacy. I don't think GGG should fight ward at 168 but should fight Chavez at that weight, yet I criticise Floyd for doing that but GGG hasn't made all that money that he has and hasn't even got the chance to fight top guys at middleweight. A few years down the line I'd have the same problem with GGG if he's cherry picking opponents.

[zhubin]

Floyd went MIA when he had the dispute with Arum and missed on fights with Frietas/Casamajor he also could have fought Cotto/Tszyu instead of Gatti.

Floyd could have fought Hatton at light welter like Manny did.

The no longer undefeated, hungry hatton.

Pac catches fighters on the down.
Theres so many blueprints to beat manny..none to beat floyd.

Where a good fighter like bradley is good in all areas but great in none (only heart) floyd is great in all areas when he needs to be.

Castillo left a pretty good blueprint on how to beat Floyd tho no one has had the speed, skills and nerve to replicate his success.

Complete non sense. It was clear Floyd was having shoulder issues in their first fight. That was his first fight at 135 as well...against a bigger guy. If the blue print was so solid...Castillo should have had the same success in the rematch...he didn't...as Floyd took care of him.

[Beanflicker]

Apparently Floyd went into that fight with a torn rotator cuff, which is the same injury that caused Vitali to quit vs Byrd even though he was dominating and had only a couple rounds left.

[FinitoElDinamita]

He ducked Margarito for sure...



Pac ended Margarito's career...

[Beanflicker]

Marg would have sparked him, some guys you just gotta duck

[imp]

Marg would have sparked him, some guys you just gotta duck

Did I hear you right flicker?

Or was that sarcasm?

[FinitoElDinamita]

Marg would have sparked him, some guys you just gotta duck

Did I hear you right flicker?

Or was that sarcasm?

He's serious.. Floyd was so timid against Bumdomir because he wasnt accustomed to the weight at the time.. He was a weak WW ..

I can only imagine what a hungry, relentless Margo would have done to a weak WW version of Floyd..

[imp]

Marg would have sparked him, some guys you just gotta duck

Did I hear you right flicker?

Or was that sarcasm?

He's serious.. Floyd was so timid against Bumdomir because he wasnt accustomed to the weight at the time.. He was a weak WW ..

I can only imagine what a hungry, relentless Margo would have done to a weak WW version of Floyd..

Floyd certainly has grown into welter weight but i disagree of the margo issue.

Floyd wasnt timid he was just completely outboxing carlos and made it look like a complete mismatch.

If floyd was timid in that fight hes timid in every fight..the crowd got bored and probably went home..so one sided.

Margo has no style and got beat by williams, destoyed by moseley and nearly blinded by pacman.

[Beanflicker]

Floyd would have shut Margarito out in easy, Baldomir boring fashion.

[Mr140]

listen i hear this all the time and i even Defend margartio at times i don't feel he used warps his whole career but who knows. At the time who was it that he beat that made him worthy of Mayweather he was just defending the wbo belt. Bald may of been shit but manged to become the Lineal champ and was ranked the champ i mean come on now thats higher achievement then Margarito had dude. They both were going to make the same money for Mayweather so he beat the man at the division the ring champ Margarito did shit after words but he had done nothing to deserve a fight with Mayweather at the time in which the deal was made. Kt he didn't fight because he lost to Hatton so he ended up fighting Hatton, then beat Oscar who was the man at 154 and when Cotto was just coming up Mayweather was retired. Then when he came back he fought Jmm who was robbed against Pac and later would knock him out you know what Mayweather made Jmm look like a fucking bum that never boxed before in his life. I really don't get all the hate for Mayweather resume i mean he is a dick but it is not like everyone else was fighting the best all the time either.

[jahmez]

Just had the misfortune of reading another idiotic, revisionist history article in regards to Floyd on the main page.

Lets get this out of the way: I have no problem with people saying Floyd ducked Pac. It was a fucked up situation and the biggest fight of the century didn't happen. Whether you believe it was Floyds fault, Pacs fault, or (like me) a combination of the two egos, whatever. That's your right.

But to suggest that Floyd's spent his whole career ducking and dodging everyone with a pulse? That's just idiocy. Complete idiocy.

People forget that before Floyd became Money May and a PPV star who could call his own shots, he was one of boxing's most avoided fighters himself. Why? Because he was a mega-talented fighter who couldn't draw flies to shit. Floyd represented the worst ratio of risk/reward in the boxing for quite some time. So to write an article where you suggest that all the guys Floyd never fought in the last 15 years was because he was ducking them? Yeeeesh.

Here's a nice compilation of Floyd calling out guys since 2000.



He calls out...

-Prince Naseem (Larry Merchant laughs and alludes to the fact that Naseem is and will duck Floyd)
-Casamayor
-Frietas
-Paul Spadafora
-JLC (who he did fight twice)
-Kostya Tyszu (before he lost to Hatton)
-Shane Mosley
-De La Hoya

I'm sure someone will respond "yeah talk is cheap he never had any intention of fighting those guys." Ok, draw upon your knowledge of boxing history: has anyone ever publicly called out a guy that they wanted nothing to do with? NEVER. They either don't mention the person at all as to not draw attention to them, make excuses as to why they can't fight them, or make very non-commital statements like "we'll see how it goes" or "it's up to my promoter". Nobody ever calls out a guy by name that they want to avoid, that's just lunacy.

People talk about Mosley/Mayweather like Mayweather ducked and dodged Mosley for years and waited until he was old and senile to take the fight... what nonsense! Shane was the one ducking and dodging and making excuses about his tooth hurting and having vacations planned.



And here's Mayweather again talking about a potential Mosley fight in 2006, right after Mosley's win over Vargas.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/17/sp...6&gwt=pay&_r=0

Even with the rumblings about Mayweather/Mosley when Mosley was at LW back in 99, Mosley chose to ignore Mayweather and leap to 147 for the big payday against Oscar instead.

People say the same thing about Mayweather and De la Hoya, that Floyd was picking on an old, decrepit De La Hoya... again, more revisionist nonsense.

Check this article out.

BOXING - Father and Son Trade Jabs in Buildup for Fight - NYTimes.com

Mayweather and Bob Arum were trying to set up a fight with DLH back in APRIL 2003. Floyd was willing to jump up from 135 to 154 to fight Oscar. Does that sound like a coward or a duck to you? He was willing to leap frog 140 and 147 and go directly to 154 to fight Oscar. And this wasn't old Oscar who got eaten alive by Pac. This was top 5 p4p Oscar. This was world champion Oscar, the guy who had only lost two close, controversial decisions to Trinidad and Mosley.

So why didn't this happen? Did Mayweather come to his senses and duck out? No, Oscar turned it down because he decided he had nothing to gain by fighting Mayweather.


SPORTS BRIEFING - BOXING - Mayweather's Opponent Is Rejected - NYTimes.com

^This one shows Mayweather tried to set up a match with Spadafora, but Spadafora was rejected by the commision due to him shooting his wife. Figure I'd throw that in there because there are people who actually think Floyd ducked Spadafora.

So knock it off with the revisionist history. If you want to run around saying Mayweather ducked Pac, be my guest. But don't say shit like PBF ducked his way to where he is now, because you have no clue what you're talking about.

You seem to hold Floyd a little too close to your heart mate but it's all good. Whatever tickles your pickle.

[Beanflicker]

I can't dispute anything you posted and I don't have anything intelligent and insightful to say, so I'll accuse you of being a nuthugger and back out of the thread.

Fixed.

[jahmez]

Beanflicker this whole pro Mayweather thing is admirable but it's getting quite boring. I've seen you on here for years and it seems something is up. I don't know if you're being encouraged by the new dickheads Cyclone and Ron or if the Maidana fight somehow unnerved you, but it's as if you have suddenly embarked on a rage induced crusade to defend Floyd at all costs, and to be honest you're starting to come across as a megalomaniac who just wants to crush anyone who disagrees with your theories. What's up mate?

[Abelardus]

The only thing floyd ducked was just about every punch thrown at him. Ducking margarito I don't think he did but I do think he would've boxed his ears off specially back then. He was too fast and moved to much for margarito. The only fight I can agree with and idk who ducked who but why the pacquiao fight was never made is beyond me. He would've definetly went down as the best ever had he beat manny I think. Manny was an unstoppable force back then and had he gotten passed him there would be no question ever to his career. That is the only fight that will forever question his career.

[Beanflicker]

Beanflicker this whole pro Mayweather thing is admirable but it's getting quite boring. I've seen you on here for years and it seems something is up. I don't know if you're being encouraged by the new dickheads Cyclone and Ron or if the Maidana fight somehow unnerved you, but it's as if you have suddenly embarked on a rage induced crusade to defend Floyd at all costs, and to be honest you're starting to come across as a megalomaniac who just wants to crush anyone who disagrees with your theories. What's up mate?

Suddenly? I've been defending Floyd against unfounded hating for years.

If people can't back up their opinions or respond to criticism, stay off the forums.

If you talk bullshit, I'm going to call you out on it.