Did Marquez Duck Provodnikov?

[Spicoli]

Nah, Marquez doesn't speak duck. Now if he agreed to a fight, shared co features with the understanding a showdown was looming and then suddenly went out of his way to avoid said showdown..all the while insulting and proclaiming his superiority but walking the other direction...now I could see how that might be a duck

Marquez wants to rebuild for one last run and have as many pluses on his side. Alvarado being battle worn but a complimentary style rather than a fresher, stronger, harder complimentary style in Provo is key too. Of course. Its a literal return to his roots and venue of La Forum...a homecoming of sorts with the very real lead in to yet another clash with Provos recent 'boss'...Manny.

[Ron Swanson]

Nah, Marquez doesn't speak duck. Now if he agreed to a fight, shared co features with the understanding a showdown was looming and then suddenly went out of his way to avoid said showdown..all the while insulting and proclaiming his superiority but walking the other direction...now I could see how that might be a duck

Marquez wants to rebuild for one last run and have as many pluses on his side. Alvarado being battle worn but a complimentary style rather than a fresher, stronger, harder complimentary style in Provo is key too. Of course. Its a literal return to his roots and venue of La Forum...a homecoming of sorts with the very real lead in to yet another clash with Provos recent 'boss'...Manny.

Right here is why I loathe the word duck in boxing. The reasoning is completely subjective. I don't in the least think Marquez ducked Provo but he took less money to fight another guy. Or in another term a smaller prize. You say he didn't duck as well. But you suggest Adonis did duck even though Adonis got paid twice as much for an easy fight as HBO was offering for the future "big" fight. Or in other terms he got twice as big a prize.

So the suggestion is in a prizefight if you refuse a larger prize and accept a smaller prize but you're X it's not a duck. And if you refuse a small prize for a prize TWICE as large but you're Y it's a duck.

It makes it difficult to read boxing boards when people refuse to look at the stuff honestly.(vague comment not intended to attack the quoted poster but speaking in general) There are so many factors going into taking a fight that almost always lead to the highest probability of making the most money. Some might include short term loses, some include selling out immediately. Sometimes you don't take a hard fight because you're good and you slow play it. Sometimes you take hard fights because you know you have a short shelf life. Almost every path leads to the most money in their particular plan though and this duck word is simply false drama and a distraction from what's really happening.

How refreshing would it be to hear a fighter say "I think I can beat X but for only a little less money I'm sure I csn beat Y and that leads to Z who is who I really want to fight" verses "well X has no fanbase" "X can't speak to me like an opponent" yadda yaadda yadda. I'd like to get some frickin truth from somebody. Then we would know their genuine intentions. Does anyone really believe what a fighter says? Or do you then cross reference it in your head with what you know? And if fans reflecting on a sport can't even speak honestly we'll never get truth from the participants.

[Ant Live]

Yes

[Rantcatrat]

I don't like the word "duck" either @Ron Swanson . I agree with you there. I shouldn't have used it. I'm sure Marquez would fight anyone. He's a warrior. Same with Adonis Stevenson. It's more accurate to say that Marquez decided to go an easier route for less money so that there was less risk of losing and he could maintain the prospect of another financially lucrative fight in the future.

On the other hand, we're boxing fans. I don't follow Stevenson and Marquez to admire their financial savvy. I watch boxing to see good fights with compelling story lines. I want to see the best fight the best.

Stevenson and Marquez avoided facing other boxers, whether it was a smart business decision or not, we aren't seeing them face the best. Surely, they benefit, but do boxing fans?

With Stevenson, it's a bit different too, because Stevenson-Kovalev was the fight to make at 175. At the end of 2013, when Fat Dan Rafael and the like were putting their lists of must-see fights for 2014, Stevenson-Kovalev topped the list. No one was really clamoring to see a Marquez-Provodnikov.

[FinitoElDinamita]

U wanna see provodkikov fight, just rewatch Marquez-diaz, marquez- katsidis, and Jandaeng..

Marquez has beaten many guys like em.. I wouldnt even watch it for free..

Id like to see marquez face good fighters.

[FinitoElDinamita]

As hard as it may be to believe, it is not all about the money to some fighters and Marquez is one of those very few. Look at his history. If money was his main objective, he wouldn't have turned down a rematch with Pacman for career high payday of 750k to face Chris john for 30k in Indonesia of all places. He was offered over 10 million for a fifth pacman bout but he doesn't even want that. Marquez is all about securing a legacy.

He's not fighting prov cuz he has everything to lose ( mileage on body ) and nothing to gain. Its that simple.

Alvarado and prov are apples and oranges despite the fact that one beat the other.

[Spicoli]

As hard as it may be to believe, it is not all about the money to some fighters and Marquez is one of those very few. Look at his history. If money was his main objective, he wouldn't have turned down a rematch with Pacman for career high payday of 750k to face Chris john for 30k in Indonesia of all places. He was offered over 10 million for a fifth pacman bout but he doesn't even want that. Marquez is all about securing a legacy.

He's not fighting prov cuz he has everything to lose ( mileage on body ) and nothing to gain. Its that simple.

Alvarado and prov are apples and oranges despite the fact that one beat the other.

I just don't think Alvarado does much for legacy bruv, but it will be a wider road to travel to decide his next fight to add to that. Its a smart move by Marquez, but even legends watch the bank account.