The emotion of the fan

[Beanflicker]

If anyone here thinks that a steroid exists that can replicate the impact of having a loaded glove, you don't know steroids and you should cease talking about this subject.

[jehoshaphat]

If anyone here thinks that a steroid exists that can replicate the impact of having a loaded glove, you don't know steroids and you should cease talking about this subject.

You know that is a good point. I for one am interested in someone contradicting this statement with facts or something of substance.

[Ron Swanson]

If anyone here thinks that a steroid exists that can replicate the impact of having a loaded glove, you don't know steroids and you should cease talking about this subject.

It's not about replicating an impact. And it's not just steroids. That's why people use the term PEDs. It's proven that secondary impacts after you are concussed are worse than the initial concussion. So one guy could have a loaded glove and blast a guy out early and another guy could be on EPO and not blast a guy out but use this extra stamina to hit a guy 50 more times than he could have with his natural stamina. Each shot being extra risk. There are 10 thousand variables and that's why I make no distinction between one form of cheating and another. It's all dangerous because the sport starts out dangerous adding unnatural danger on top is scummy. Only dirtbags do it. If they're all cheating then they're all dirtbags.

[Beanflicker]

It's not about replicating an impact. And it's not just steroids. That's why people use the term PEDs. It's proven that secondary impacts after you are concussed are worse than the initial concussion. So one guy could have a loaded glove and blast a guy out early and another guy could be on EPO and not blast a guy out but use this extra stamina to hit a guy 50 more times than he could have with his natural stamina. Each shot being extra risk. There are 10 thousand variables and that's why I make no distinction between one form of cheating and another. It's all dangerous because the sport starts out dangerous adding unnatural danger on top is scummy. Only dirtbags do it. If they're all cheating then they're all dirtbags.

That's a valid point and I'm not saying you're wrong at all. Both are cheating, both are reprehensible, both should stain any athlete caught. Both undoubtedly allow you to do more damage to your opponent.

[jehoshaphat]

If anyone here thinks that a steroid exists that can replicate the impact of having a loaded glove, you don't know steroids and you should cease talking about this subject.

It's not about replicating an impact. And it's not just steroids. That's why people use the term PEDs. It's proven that secondary impacts after you are concussed are worse than the initial concussion. So one guy could have a loaded glove and blast a guy out early and another guy could be on EPO and not blast a guy out but use this extra stamina to hit a guy 50 more times than he could have with his natural stamina. Each shot being extra risk. There are 10 thousand variables and that's why I make no distinction between one form of cheating and another. It's all dangerous because the sport starts out dangerous adding unnatural danger on top is scummy. Only dirtbags do it. If they're all cheating then they're all dirtbags.

I agree that all cheaters in this type of sport should be looked down at. We can treat all cheaters the same but all cheating is not on the same level. I'm sure we all can agree that getting twice by the same kind of punch is worse than getting hit once. And chances are you're not getting hit once and that's the end of the fight. More than likely a lot of damage is brought on and then the ending punch or punches come. But even so there is no study involving comparing someone getting hit once by a weaponized punch as opposed to getting hit twice by regular punches. People can and have died after one bare knuckle shot. The amount of impact is very important because one shot can be worse than two. You can't compare one of the same punch to two of the same punch if were comparing PEDs to loaded gloves. Those are two very different punches. Lets say a Malignaggi punch has half the impact of a Tyson punch. Then in this case 2 punches would be very much less harmful than 1.

[Beanflicker]

The problem with PEDs though is that the use is rampant and guys simply aren't getting caught. People are generally naive (how many times have I head "I don't think X is on steroids, he doesn't seem like that kind of guy") and go into denial.

But if you want to discredit everyone who has used PEDs to succeed, fair enough, but you're going to be discrediting a lot of people.

[erics44]

If anyone here thinks that a steroid exists that can replicate the impact of having a loaded glove, you don't know steroids and you should cease talking about this subject.

mate steroids don't replicate loaded gloves

completely irrelevant

and from your replies I would say you knowing more about roids than anyone on here isn't true

[Beanflicker]

mate steroids don't replicate loaded gloves

completely irrelevant

and from your replies I would say you knowing more about roids than anyone on here isn't true

Weak troll job...

[erics44]

mate steroids don't replicate loaded gloves

completely irrelevant

and from your replies I would say you knowing more about roids than anyone on here isn't true

Weak troll job...

awe common man, don't revert to calling me a troll

ill get the insults out of the way for you now

"how old are you"

"you don't know anything about boxing"

in discussions about sport there are opinions and facts, the difference is very clear, in another thread @ross said its a fact that fury has progressed more than chisora but really that isn't a fact its an opinion, and im just saying that so we have a clear distinction between the two

I now have 2 facts for you and one opinion related to this topic

Fact 1

Its is possible that taking peds can give a boxer a clearer advantage and make him more dangerous to his opponent than a boxer with loaded gloves

Fact 2

It is possible that when taking peds that Roy Jones, Mosley or Holyfield got a bigger advantage and were more dangerous to their opponents than Margarito would have been with his loaded gloves if he hadn't have been caught against Mosley

Opinion

On at least 1 occasion Roy Jones, Mosely and/or Holyfield got a bigger advantage and were more dangerous to their opponents than Margarito would have been with his loaded gloves if he hadn't have been caught against Mosley

[Beanflicker]

LMAO.

Maybe you should look up what a "fact" actually is. A fact is an undeniable truth, not a "it's possible".

Dummy. You're out of your league.

[erics44]

LMAO.

Maybe you should look up what a "fact" actually is. A fact is an undeniable truth, not a "it's possible".

Dummy. You're out of your league.

it is a fact that it is possible , sounds pretty reasonable to me

i'm a troll and a dummy in consecutive posts, sounds a bit like you've lost your cool and you have no come back

[Beanflicker]

it is a fact that it is possible

It's not possible. You have nothing to back it up with. You are masquerading an uneducated opinion as fact because you're a troll or you're incredibly stupid.

[Mr140]

Eric let me say this Holyfeild has never failed a drug test and had a 26 year career. I think it safe is safe to say if he was using yet never got caught most top athletes are using peds. So i believe Margarito getting caught for gloves was also on peds so he pretty much a double cheat which is pretty bad dude.