Russia vs Ukraine..

[Spicoli]

Turns out terrorist don't just hide in caves eating goat. They sit on Cnn chain smoking and laughing at the rest of us, in ski masks. The propaganda and manipulation in order to cause tension and civil unrest is enough to make the other super powers blush. Apparently Putin has been taking notes. Just flash back and think how trumped up and pumped we all followed the bait and switch when we heard "Sad'am is the new Hitler and we can't wait for a MUSHROOM CLOUD " repeated 1001 times. Bunch of sheep. Its an amazing situation really. Fuck me..answers

[Gandalf]

Let's not sit back with the Western propaganda overdrive ringing in our ears and pretend that Russia caused this. Are we not forgetting that 5 billion pounds of US money has been spent creating unrest, that the democratically elected government was unjustly framed for killing protesters, and that what ensued was a coup that has brought in kleptocrats and neo Nazi's. What was Putin supposed to do? Sit back and allow his military interests in the Ukraine to be taken over. This is Russias border. What would America do if Putin forced the US out of Cuba? I doubt they would be so diplomatic. Russia gave the people of Crimea a vote, which is more than the people of Ukraine have had. The Ukraine has been taken over and their currency has depreciated against gold almost 70% since. No good can come of this and the people are quite aware of what a hell hole the EU is and of course Russians in the East are rising up and saying we don't want any part of this. It's a poor country anyway and it's being used as a pawn because the West is collapsing and need to divert attention with good old fashioned shenanigans and Putin demonising.

We aren't even trying to pretend to be the good guys here and it shows considerable portions of the Western media to be nothing more than slogan producers for the elite. The Daily Mail and its Royal family overdrive and claims that Russia is starting WW3 are particularly vile. Look closer to home for the real enemy, they are the ones reducing quality of life, and causing this around the world. Don't swallow their kool-aid. They need to create a new bogey man, we have seen this script before, don't follow it.

[Gandalf]

This is a topic that troubles me as the mainstream media simply does not correct its lies and errors. A German documentary has revealed quite clearly that the Ukrainian government DID NOT shoot protesters or even their own police. That was supposedly the catalyst for the coup, but it was an event that simply DID NOT happen according to the American and British narrative. There is a common pattern of snipers though in the countries that America wants to see toppled and in fact at one stage they were even considering snipers on the occupy movement and were in fact aiming snipers at the Bundy ranch. The snipers in the Ukraine was in essence one of Obama's WMD moments along with the Assad and chemical weapons line in Syria. We are telling lies and it is being revealed as such, but our media continues with the 'Russia bad, We good' mantra. It's following the same old patterns to a tee.

Where is the vote for the Ukrainian people to be free and to have a government by and for the people and for that alone. They should default on their national debts and start afresh. Nation after nation is in bondage to international finance and it is absurd considering the most powerful individuals don't pay any taxes and the most powerful countries only accumulate debt. But you the Ukraine must restructure and make the poor people poorer. It's sick and this whole nonsense about Putin is ludicrous. Nobody is listening to what the people of the country want and we should. It is their homeland.

[Gandalf]

And a final post before I depart to spring suns and parks of green and quacking ducks in an effort to escape the oppressive odor of geopolitics which I have to escape from as it casts a weary shadow upon my soul. Welcome back, Lyle.

[Andre]

Turns out terrorist don't just hide in caves eating goat. They sit on Cnn chain smoking and laughing at the rest of us, in ski masks. The propaganda and manipulation in order to cause tension and civil unrest is enough to make the other super powers blush. Apparently Putin has been taking notes. Just flash back and think how trumped up and pumped we all followed the bait and switch when we heard "Sad'am is the new Hitler and we can't wait for a MUSHROOM CLOUD " repeated 1001 times. Bunch of sheep. Its an amazing situation really. Fuck me..answers

It would actually be more common sense if we gave amnesty to whoever wanted out of the place to resettle here or in the US. Sell their holdings businesses etc off to Russia for a grand old price and resettle them up over here and in the States in palatal homes or whatever else they'll all be able to afford, as they could bring a lot of wealth ,building works and other related growths to us. Let Russia have it with those who want to stay under their rule,for a price, (a one off price).So our social structures for the term of their lives never suffers from the deal, if anything we gain wealth and smart business people and assured growth thats it. Then fuck Russia leave em to it,no help no dealings nothing give them enough rope and watch them hang themselves and crumble again like last time.

As it stands Russia has trillions invested into England as its second preferred safe ground to park cash into land holdings etc,so this could all become very interesting.

[Gandalf]

I think you are missing the point that the Ukraine has been stolen from the Ukrainian people by Western financial terrorists and thugs. All Russia has done is take a tiny portion of the country who identify themselves largely as Russian and who voted to stay with Russia. They had a choice and they exercised it. The rest of the Ukraine has been given no choice in any of this.

Look what has happened to the Ukraine under the puppet pro international finance group already. The currency has been in freefall, their gold has been stolen, and energy prices are going to go up dramatically. Already the financial terrorists are looking to capitalise and the West is going to instigate war by arming the Ukraine. This is similar to the Cuban missile crisis. They are prodding and prodding and it is a wonder Putin has remained so calm in the face of such brazen behaviour.

Russia does not want the Ukraine and has repeatedly said as much. The West does want the Ukraine and 5bn dollars, a false flag sniper attack, and coup attests to that fact. They have the Ukraine and none of this is about the people when it should be.

Putin is no saint, but he defends Russian interests and has been steadily growing the Russian middle class over 20 years. The West meanwhile has been decimating its own middle class and is in immoral war after war. Putin will defend Russian people and looking at what is happening it is no wonder that Russians in the East of the Ukraine want out of this forced occupation by the West. The West has become grotesquely akin to Communist Russia and this time I wouldn't be so sure that Russia is going to fall. Their fundamentals are now more in place, whilst the West is in obvious freefall and has only force to bargain with.

Ideally people would like their country to be a free one and though massively corrupt it was a democratic nation until a Western backed coup took place. I am all for popular uprisings and demands for change, but you don't do it based on white envelopes from foreign backers. You certainly don't support aspiring Nazi's. We've seen how it works time and time again. Always good for the Nazi's, but not for the rest who go into servitude.

[Beanz]

Miles are you denying the reality of Russians accosting Ukrainian Jews leaving synagogue ? That is quite scarily Nazi like behaviour. Do not be so quick to swallow Alex Jones and infowars prescription. The mainstream media are not the only ones peddling half truths.

[Gandalf]

That is very odd behavior, but I would need to read more about that. I read a variety of US sources, Europeans sources and try to come to my own conclusions. Basically having worked in a University, I know the mentality of the people working in them and the same extends to media. You have a lot of people printing crap to make their jobs secure.

I have made many points and those are the ones that I will hold with for now as they are the most clear. Russia doesn't want the Ukraine. The idea that Putin will be some monster to the Jews is a bit daft considering he has no history of this.

There is a demonisation going on in the British media in particular and the only reason can be because of deflection. They never went after bankers like they are doing Putin, they are following the Iraq model. Britain is one of the most corrupt nations out there and to make Putin the bogeyman, and not David Cameron is perversely funny. Putin has done nothing to the UK and minimised his impact in the Ukraine. The UK is pushing Putin and going along with the Ukraine coup and NO British media is saying that Cameron is the problem.

We have a terrible media and they simply cannot be taken seriously. All of them have been publishing utterly contorted things. I've outlined the facts in a basic way. And the key is that the assassinations were fake and not caused by the government. They simply cannot defend their narrative without a teleprompter.

Russia has committed little wrong here and it is largely a western setup as they need war and lunacy to perpetuate and distract. They are doing a great job and I hope they get humiliated again.

[walrus]

Miles, I think if the US had done what Russia did you would be up in arms. Putin appears to be going back to the old imperialist USSR ideals. That is his core, he never left the USSR.

[Gandalf]

Miles, I think if the US had done what Russia did you would be up in arms. Putin appears to be going back to the old imperialist USSR ideals. That is his core, he never left the USSR.

Are you serious. I don't believe that I am hearing this. Russia has done little wrong in this instance. Please. quit with the nonsense.

I sense I am having to go into a defensive mode because you people are reading papers tell you what to think after a hard days work. It is lies. I'm a little let down that you want to disagree, but I have looked in detail, and I m seldom wrong.

This is the Ukraine! What the fuck are the West doing there!? Pull yourselves together!
If you cannot see who broke the west and how they are trying to deal with it, then you should be sheep

[Gandalf]

It's too late for me here, but please think properly. We are ordinary people, they are the crazy ones with billions invested in war. Never forget that. Sleep on the topic and lets talk more tomorrow.

[walrus]

Miles, I think if the US had done what Russia did you would be up in arms. Putin appears to be going back to the old imperialist USSR ideals. That is his core, he never left the USSR.

Are you serious. I don't believe that I am hearing this. Russia has done little wrong in this instance. Please. quit with the nonsense.

I sense I am having to go into a defensive mode because you people are reading papers tell you what to think after a hard days work. It is lies. I'm a little let down that you want to disagree, but I have looked in detail, and I m seldom wrong.

This is the Ukraine! What the fuck are the West doing there!? Pull yourselves together!
If you cannot see who broke the west and how they are trying to deal with it, then you should be sheep

Go easy my friend, a differing of opinion is not a personal insult.

[Gandalf]

Miles are you denying the reality of Russians accosting Ukrainian Jews leaving synagogue ? That is quite scarily Nazi like behaviour. Do not be so quick to swallow Alex Jones and infowars prescription. The mainstream media are not the only ones peddling half truths.

I would like the world to leave the Ukraine alone and do them the kindness of erasing their debts and return their gold There should be immediate elections and people should vote for who they want. It shouldn't be any of our business what is going on in the Ukraine.

All I want is a world where we stop posturing and power games and just care more about ordinary people for once. We never care about people in Libya, Iraq, Egypt, Afghanistan, etc. We care only about showing force to people who resist the petrodollar and don't want our debt. I would like us to be isolationist and export only kindness. Grow your own food, feed your people, house your people and leave the world alone as they are sick of you.

[walrus]

when you say " they are sick of you" did you mean me personally or the US or were you speaking generally. Either way I take no offense, just looking for clarity. By the way, be careful with the bottle, it is easy to lose yourself in one or more of them

[Gandalf]

The ire is directed mostly at the American and British political elite who are mostly vile and contemptible merchants of debt, death and destruction. Congress has an approval rating of 6%, so I don't think I am alone in being sick of them. They gate themselves up and meanwhile bludgeon all with financial and military weapons of mass destruction.

I despise how they worship money and pray at the altar of power. I despise how in the UK they are all manufactured in Eton and get into government and banking and give themselves a leg up whilst conspiring to make their own societies as poor as possible and the world stage as bloody as possible. They are sick and in turn that makes me feel sick.

I don't think they even consider us to to be human. We are like animals on a farm to be mistreated and ultimately culled when they see fit. I don't like to dwell on the topic as it is so inhumane and cold and ultimately leads to despondency and depression. With great contemplation and a beating heart comes a weary brow.

Yes, I will go easy on the drink and I definitely indulged too much. It has been a wasted day, feeling very rough and ever so delicate.