Russia vs Ukraine..

[walrus]

Miles, I think if the US had done what Russia did you would be up in arms. Putin appears to be going back to the old imperialist USSR ideals. That is his core, he never left the USSR.

[Gandalf]

Miles, I think if the US had done what Russia did you would be up in arms. Putin appears to be going back to the old imperialist USSR ideals. That is his core, he never left the USSR.

Are you serious. I don't believe that I am hearing this. Russia has done little wrong in this instance. Please. quit with the nonsense.

I sense I am having to go into a defensive mode because you people are reading papers tell you what to think after a hard days work. It is lies. I'm a little let down that you want to disagree, but I have looked in detail, and I m seldom wrong.

This is the Ukraine! What the fuck are the West doing there!? Pull yourselves together!
If you cannot see who broke the west and how they are trying to deal with it, then you should be sheep

[Gandalf]

It's too late for me here, but please think properly. We are ordinary people, they are the crazy ones with billions invested in war. Never forget that. Sleep on the topic and lets talk more tomorrow.

[walrus]

Miles, I think if the US had done what Russia did you would be up in arms. Putin appears to be going back to the old imperialist USSR ideals. That is his core, he never left the USSR.

Are you serious. I don't believe that I am hearing this. Russia has done little wrong in this instance. Please. quit with the nonsense.

I sense I am having to go into a defensive mode because you people are reading papers tell you what to think after a hard days work. It is lies. I'm a little let down that you want to disagree, but I have looked in detail, and I m seldom wrong.

This is the Ukraine! What the fuck are the West doing there!? Pull yourselves together!
If you cannot see who broke the west and how they are trying to deal with it, then you should be sheep

Go easy my friend, a differing of opinion is not a personal insult.

[Andre]

Miles, I think if the US had done what Russia did you would be up in arms. Putin appears to be going back to the old imperialist USSR ideals. That is his core, he never left the USSR.

Are you serious. I don't believe that I am hearing this. Russia has done little wrong in this instance. Please. quit with the nonsense.

I sense I am having to go into a defensive mode because you people are reading papers tell you what to think after a hard days work. It is lies. I'm a little let down that you want to disagree, but I have looked in detail, and I m seldom wrong.

This is the Ukraine! What the fuck are the West doing there!? Pull yourselves together!
If you cannot see who broke the west and how they are trying to deal with it, then you should be sheep

Go easy my friend, a differing of opinion is not a personal insult.

Theres more to all this than meets the eye.These groups dont forgive or forget they drag history along with them and wait for an opening.All politicans and world leaders wash their hands after shaking hands,they are two faced cunts the lot of them.
This could easily erupt into an uncivil war like Bosnia and Croatia and backing to each side will occur through the channels being dug in now while they can be.

But for us normal people its is about other innocent normal people who are about to get caught up in a horror and have their lives smashed over others in politics with paid sheep in uniforms and pride in shit covered historical flags all dick waving their forces at each other. I think the innocents need some protection from whats coming and I dont know the answer.

Sometimes i think that some politicians and leaders want their names inbedded into world history and so they look to do that via conflict because they are so useless as human beings personally in the real term. In some cases their countries have built a machine and that machine is built from like minded individuals so it has a certain push to it as well and they personally all become heartless pieces of shit within those war machines.

Power is like electric very nice if controlled, a mass killer of everything it touches if not.
I wish it would sometimes just backfire and kill the controllers of it outright.

[Gandalf]

I am sorry for being aggressive, Walrus. I stand by what I say, but could have been nicer about it. I got down about it all and got rather drunk. The situations around the world upset me terribly and really I would be better off living in greater ignorance like most do. I get very upset by these stories.

I am just so sick of the Western media brainwashing people when it is obvious that America kick started all of this. I think Putin has behaved very well all things considered. He is clearly doing everything he can to keep WW3 at bay whilst the Western nations have been pumping billions of dollars into destabilising the region.

I am like Andre in that I don't have the answers and just feel a sense of helplessness about what is being done to them. It is always the same groups of people stirring this shit up and they are never held accountable. Country after country and even their own countries, enough is never enough, and I am just sick of it.