Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

[ross]

Hey Ross, just in case you hadn't heard, the pair of them together have had ALL the titles locked up for ever.

Vitali the WBC,
Wladimir all the others

They both DID have all the titles. The only thing EVER preventing unification has always been the fact the brothers wont fight each other.

I have seen a lot of weird angles used to beat on the Ukranians but this is a new one!! Instead of attacking the quality of them, attack the achievements themselves.

Nice one!! =P

Oh, so your not arguing on behalf of Wlad but "the brothers" standing in heavyweight history?

Wlads achievements on their own are good but he needs to beat the winner of the upcoming WBC fight to seal it.

It is possible to unify the belts, other fighters in other divisions have done it. By not unifying you are avoiding having to fight certain fighters so you can take on people like Mormeck and extend your career.

Good business move but not a great career.

[ross]

Wlad doesn't automatically inherit that other 50% dominance his brother held over the division for all those years, like he's left it in a will or something.

[Max Power]

@ross. I'm not suggesting he did inherit the other 50% automatically. But the point was that the only reason he did not unify the titles is because his brother held it and they wouldn't fight.

Are you implying that in the absence of Vitali that Wladimir would not have been the undisputed champ? Because I think intuitively most ppl know that Wladimir definitely would have held the WBC as well the whole time.

What's more, your saying that Vitali fought half the dangerous opponents while Wlad only fought half.

Except Wladimir fought at a respectable rate for the HW champ. Had he had to go through the entire list of Vitali's opponents as well that would have brought him up to nearly 100 fights! 100 fights in this 230lbs super heavy era is outrageous, especially in the time frame required.

There are just too many opponents for that to have occurred in theory. It's like saying Lennox Lewis did not fight all the contenders because he failed to face guys like Byrd, Ruiz, Bowe, Wladimir, Sanders etc. And Lewis only had 44 fights whole career!

Basically you are implying Wlad's legacy is smashed because he happened to have a brother that held a belt too and fought opponents that Wlad did not. That's a bit much.

@erics44 Yeah his holding has been on the excessive in some fights but really only completely over the top in just one fight, Povetkin. But in between all the holding I think I seen a one sided beating the rest of the time as well. It was still dominanting. I think Wlad could have beat him without it. It's just the easiest way for him to do it.

It's not officially cheating anyway. It just sucked.

[erics44]

@erics44 Yeah his holding has been on the excessive in some fights but really only completely over the top in just one fight, Povetkin. But in between all the holding I think I seen a one sided beating the rest of the time as well. It was still dominanting. I think Wlad could have beat him without it. It's just the easiest way for him to do it.

It's not officially cheating anyway. It just sucked.

@Max Power this isnt really true, his holding is completely and hurrendously over the top in the vast majority of his fights

i gave lyle (el kabong, as big a wlad fan as you can get) the oppotunity to pick any fight in wlads second reign as champ to show me that this isnt the case

he suggested i rewatch the second sam peter fight, he said it was a master class of boxing

i watched the first 2 rounds, in the first he held over 20 times and punched with any kind of meaning considerably less

the second was only slightly better

and it is cheating, it is against the rules, the refs and officials clearly let him get away with it, any other fighter in the provetkin fight would have been dq'd

unless obviously that fighter made as many people rich each time he fights as wlad does

[Max Power]

@erics44 Yeah his holding has been on the excessive in some fights but really only completely over the top in just one fight, Povetkin. But in between all the holding I think I seen a one sided beating the rest of the time as well. It was still dominanting. I think Wlad could have beat him without it. It's just the easiest way for him to do it.

It's not officially cheating anyway. It just sucked.

@Max Power this isnt really true, his holding is completely and hurrendously over the top in the vast majority of his fights

i gave lyle (el kabong, as big a wlad fan as you can get) the oppotunity to pick any fight in wlads second reign as champ to show me that this isnt the case

he suggested i rewatch the second sam peter fight, he said it was a master class of boxing

i watched the first 2 rounds, in the first he held over 20 times and punched with any kind of meaning considerably less

the second was only slightly better

and it is cheating, it is against the rules, the refs and officials clearly let him get away with it, any other fighter in the provetkin fight would have been dq'd

unless obviously that fighter made as many people rich each time he fights as wlad does

Well I don't know why El Kabong chose that one because before Povetkin, Peter was Klitschko's most clinchiest fight!

I've said it before, Wlad clinches the short asses because they try to rush him all the time, it's their only tool cause they can't box him otherwise so he eliminates that game. It's quite smart really.

When Wlad meets a tall guy like Thompson or Wach for example, suddenly, we don't see the hugging do we!! Punch speed and punch power wins him the fight!

Well we'll see if it's cheating wont we. My bet is, if he gets a ref who chooses to pull them apart and tell Wlad off, we will instead see Wlad pulverise his opponent all the same. Wlad even might use an uppercut!! haha

[erics44]

@erics44 Yeah his holding has been on the excessive in some fights but really only completely over the top in just one fight, Povetkin. But in between all the holding I think I seen a one sided beating the rest of the time as well. It was still dominanting. I think Wlad could have beat him without it. It's just the easiest way for him to do it.

It's not officially cheating anyway. It just sucked.

@Max Power this isnt really true, his holding is completely and hurrendously over the top in the vast majority of his fights

i gave lyle (el kabong, as big a wlad fan as you can get) the oppotunity to pick any fight in wlads second reign as champ to show me that this isnt the case

he suggested i rewatch the second sam peter fight, he said it was a master class of boxing

i watched the first 2 rounds, in the first he held over 20 times and punched with any kind of meaning considerably less

the second was only slightly better

and it is cheating, it is against the rules, the refs and officials clearly let him get away with it, any other fighter in the provetkin fight would have been dq'd

unless obviously that fighter made as many people rich each time he fights as wlad does

Well I don't know why El Kabong chose that one because before Povetkin, Peter was Klitschko's most clinchiest fight!

I've said it before, Wlad clinches the short asses because they try to rush him all the time, it's their only tool cause they can't box him otherwise so he eliminates that game. It's quite smart really.

When Wlad meets a tall guy like Thompson or Wach for example, suddenly, we don't see the hugging do we!! Punch speed and punch power wins him the fight!

Well we'll see if it's cheating wont we. My bet is, if he gets a ref who chooses to pull them apart and tell Wlad off, we will instead see Wlad pulverise his opponent all the same. Wlad even might use an uppercut!! haha

ill give you the same question as i gave lyle, if you want to try and show me that he doesnt clinch that often, give me one of his fights and ill take a look

if you want me to watch thompson or wach let me know

and yes, his clinching is extremely smart, wins him the fight everytime and makes a lot of people very rich, which means he can get away with it a lot more, winning more fights getting richer, everyone is getting richer, and happier, so let him clinch and theyll get even richer

by the way, just to confirm one (or two) of the few facts in our opinionated debate, holding is against the rules as is pushing down on your opponent

by the way money doesnt always bring happiness

[ross]

@ross. I'm not suggesting he did inherit the other 50% automatically. But the point was that the only reason he did not unify the titles is because his brother held it and they wouldn't fight.

Are you implying that in the absence of Vitali that Wladimir would not have been the undisputed champ? Because I think intuitively most ppl know that Wladimir definitely would have held the WBC as well the whole time.

What's more, your saying that Vitali fought half the dangerous opponents while Wlad only fought half.

Except Wladimir fought at a respectable rate for the HW champ. Had he had to go through the entire list of Vitali's opponents as well that would have brought him up to nearly 100 fights! 100 fights in this 230lbs super heavy era is outrageous, especially in the time frame required.

There are just too many opponents for that to have occurred in theory. It's like saying Lennox Lewis did not fight all the contenders because he failed to face guys like Byrd, Ruiz, Bowe, Wladimir, Sanders etc. And Lewis only had 44 fights whole career!

Basically you are implying Wlad's legacy is smashed because he happened to have a brother that held a belt too and fought opponents that Wlad did not. That's a bit much.

@erics44 Yeah his holding has been on the excessive in some fights but really only completely over the top in just one fight, Povetkin. But in between all the holding I think I seen a one sided beating the rest of the time as well. It was still dominanting. I think Wlad could have beat him without it. It's just the easiest way for him to do it.

It's not officially cheating anyway. It just sucked.

Yes and they have held back Wlads standing by a long shot. I do believe that IF Wlad did manage to unify, it wouldnt have been any where near as long a reign as he would have had more mandatories to face and wouldnt have had as much time for his pointless fill in fights. Its a harder schedule which is why those who unify and defend and win as u disputed champ deserve far more credit.

Also, yes, Lewis did avoid certain fighters, like Byrd who he didnt want to get anywhere near when he dropped the IBF.