Russia vs Ukraine..

[Andre]

With Obama is sticking to his guns over Chinas claim to Japanese islands too.

Core what with all that nd now Moscow as well I recon all these old signed treaties and the likes are now biting us on the ass we could all have trouble on a few fronts maybe 3 or 4 when you think about it. We are bombing some targets in Yemen on the sly still as well just to keep their fundamentalists at bay and as untrained as possible.Then theres Afgan we still have a skeleton ground crew in there directing traffic.

This is what one of our ex PMs (a smart boy too Malcolm Frazier) he was head of defense under one of the older governments here as well and was in during the Vietnam war, heres what he has to say about our ties with the states.

Intersting point.

Malcolm Fraser warns Australia risks war with China unless US military ties cut back

[IamInuit]

With Obama is sticking to his guns over Chinas claim to Japanese islands too.

Core what with all that nd now Moscow as well I recon all these old signed treaties and the likes are now biting us on the ass we could all have trouble on a few fronts maybe 3 or 4 when you think about it. We are bombing some targets in Yemen on the sly still as well just to keep their fundamentalists at bay and as untrained as possible.Then theres Afgan we still have a skeleton ground crew in there directing traffic.

This is what one of our ex PMs (a smart boy too Malcolm Frazier) he was head of defense under one of the older governments here as well and was in during the Vietnam war, heres what he has to say about our ties with the states.

Intersting point.

Malcolm Fraser warns Australia risks war with China unless US military ties cut back

A great man once said "although the world around us continues to change the thinking of mankind does not."

Odd situation this. The only reason Ukraine gave up the nukes was that the West, along with Russia guaranteed w/o exception that invasion would never happen. That's a tough hand to trump.

Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Still Russia does have historic claim. They followed the Ottoman Empire and the Romans who had there share of ups and downs. Not sure how I'd react as a Nationalist if Quebec ever separated.

Its also a bit of a slippery slope morally for the States based on the islands in dispute between Japan and China. China had them prior to WW2 and they were invaded.

There is something very inconsistent with these two problems. On the one hand people oppose a country for taking back a province that was once theirs and on the other support an invaders claim on something that never was theirs.

That's some shifting foundations.