Subpar Foe Doesn't Mean Klitschko's Not An All-Timer

[Max Power]

its isnt the subpar foe that means hes not an all timer, there are so many other factors that make his reign insignificant

If it's not the opponents then what are those other factors that make this reign "insignificant".

I can think of not much more "significant" that has EVER happened in 150years of boxing like the HW championship being removed from it's base country and locked it down on the other side of the world. That will be hard to forget and a little hard to top don't you think?

Even if your not a Wlad fan and I know that's a lot, it's impossible to mistake the achievement.

[erics44]

its isnt the subpar foe that means hes not an all timer, there are so many other factors that make his reign insignificant

If it's not the opponents then what are those other factors that make this reign "insignificant".

I can think of not much more "significant" that has EVER happened in 150years of boxing like the HW championship being removed from it's base country and locked it down on the other side of the world. That will be hard to forget and a little hard to top don't you think?

Even if your not a Wlad fan and I know that's a lot, it's impossible to mistake the achievement.

other champs box

[brocktonblockbust]

[Max Power]

Your a hardline on that Wlad cheating thing aren't you eric..

Yes, Wladimir doesn't know how to box. I would say that nobody revolutionised boxing like Wladimir did. He proved that all those things that those previous champs did were unnecessary in the case of himself and next to worthless in the case of his opponents.

Every opponent has the same plan. They're going to move, they're going to feint, they're going to go to the body blah blah and then when the fight comes, it's not that they aren't good. It's that they can't!

Did you watch the Thompson and Wach fights again? MOST of Wladimir's fights are boxing matches with only a little wrestling.

Povetkin and Peter are the worst examples, nothing else is that bad.

He's had some stinkers like Ibragimov but that was about as pure a boxing match as you can get.

He just unfortunately doesn't have a crowd pleasing style at best, but why would he want to jeapordise his titles by being a reckless brawler if he doesn't have to?

[Mr140]

Listen Wald is lucky that he got to come in after the 90's guys were getting old. Vitali might have a case as well but he could not dethrone old man Lewis they came at the right time. This division is like the 80's pretty much so i would expect there to be a long reigning champ. You are trying to compare these guys to old timers but if we go by that logic then these guys are lucky they weren't trying to be champs 20 years earlier really because they just be some top guys in the 90's and not these untouchables they are now at the moment. Wald got smacked down by contenders and a journeyman from 90's and if Vitali could not last with 38 year old Lewis, who in his prime a 38 year old Holyfeild hung with and i think deserved a draw. The Brothers might make it to the top 10 but you can't knock out old guys who did just as much in there times so kinda hard to judge were to really put them its not all about head to head, its about how resume is to how good are these guys they are fighting. Now i am only judging these by mid 80's and up is when fighters were getting bigger that's the realm in which they should be judge the 80's and the 90's.

[Beanflicker]

I think the Klitschkos are for sure ATG HW champs, but it's just weird rating them because it's hard to separate them because they both cleaned up the HW division together.

[Master]

No it does not mean he is not an ATG just as it did not mean it for Joe Louis, Tyson and Holmes. Longevity adds to a champions legacy

[erics44]

Your a hardline on that Wlad cheating thing aren't you eric..

Yes, Wladimir doesn't know how to box. I would say that nobody revolutionised boxing like Wladimir did. He proved that all those things that those previous champs did were unnecessary in the case of himself and next to worthless in the case of his opponents.

Every opponent has the same plan. They're going to move, they're going to feint, they're going to go to the body blah blah and then when the fight comes, it's not that they aren't good. It's that they can't!

Did you watch the Thompson and Wach fights again? MOST of Wladimir's fights are boxing matches with only a little wrestling.

Povetkin and Peter are the worst examples, nothing else is that bad.

He's had some stinkers like Ibragimov but that was about as pure a boxing match as you can get.

He just unfortunately doesn't have a crowd pleasing style at best, but why would he want to jeapordise his titles by being a reckless brawler if he doesn't have to?

absolutely pal

boxing is a corrupt sport, we see that week in week out

but in my memory, wlads is the most consistently extended blatently corrupt reign in history, more corrupt than sven ottke, I long for the day he gets into some trouble and we'll see the lengths the refs and officials go to to keep him in the fight

mind you they go to pretty extreme lengths everytime he fights any way

and every fight of wlads I have watched since his second reign has consisted of extreme holding, not just those two, if youd like me to watch another, one you feel he didn't bass his strategy on holding then let me know

and for the record, Im not saying wlad cant box, he definitely can, and if he had have been made to fight within the rules all his carear he would have become champ and lost it and probably won it and lost it again, he wouldn't have had the reign he has had

[El Kabong]

Did he hold much this last fight eric?

[erics44]

Did he hold much this last fight eric?

didnt watch it

i would be surprised if he didnt

but at the same time the level of opposition wasnt exactly frightening

just like if he got in with you he probably wouldnt need to hold, although he probly would just for old times sake

[Max Power]

Your a hardline on that Wlad cheating thing aren't you eric..

Yes, Wladimir doesn't know how to box. I would say that nobody revolutionised boxing like Wladimir did. He proved that all those things that those previous champs did were unnecessary in the case of himself and next to worthless in the case of his opponents.

Every opponent has the same plan. They're going to move, they're going to feint, they're going to go to the body blah blah and then when the fight comes, it's not that they aren't good. It's that they can't!

Did you watch the Thompson and Wach fights again? MOST of Wladimir's fights are boxing matches with only a little wrestling.

Povetkin and Peter are the worst examples, nothing else is that bad.

He's had some stinkers like Ibragimov but that was about as pure a boxing match as you can get.

He just unfortunately doesn't have a crowd pleasing style at best, but why would he want to jeapordise his titles by being a reckless brawler if he doesn't have to?

absolutely pal

boxing is a corrupt sport, we see that week in week out

but in my memory, wlads is the most consistently extended blatently corrupt reign in history, more corrupt than sven ottke, I long for the day he gets into some trouble and we'll see the lengths the refs and officials go to to keep him in the fight

mind you they go to pretty extreme lengths everytime he fights any way

and every fight of wlads I have watched since his second reign has consisted of extreme holding, not just those two, if youd like me to watch another, one you feel he didn't bass his strategy on holding then let me know

and for the record, Im not saying wlad cant box, he definitely can, and if he had have been made to fight within the rules all his carear he would have become champ and lost it and probably won it and lost it again, he wouldn't have had the reign he has had

What about Muhammad Ali eric?

You cannot bash Wlad for cheating when most would agree that he would win most anyway.

Muhammad was gifted almost half an entire career, I would say that tops Wlad.

[erics44]

Your a hardline on that Wlad cheating thing aren't you eric..

Yes, Wladimir doesn't know how to box. I would say that nobody revolutionised boxing like Wladimir did. He proved that all those things that those previous champs did were unnecessary in the case of himself and next to worthless in the case of his opponents.

Every opponent has the same plan. They're going to move, they're going to feint, they're going to go to the body blah blah and then when the fight comes, it's not that they aren't good. It's that they can't!

Did you watch the Thompson and Wach fights again? MOST of Wladimir's fights are boxing matches with only a little wrestling.

Povetkin and Peter are the worst examples, nothing else is that bad.

He's had some stinkers like Ibragimov but that was about as pure a boxing match as you can get.

He just unfortunately doesn't have a crowd pleasing style at best, but why would he want to jeapordise his titles by being a reckless brawler if he doesn't have to?

absolutely pal

boxing is a corrupt sport, we see that week in week out

but in my memory, wlads is the most consistently extended blatently corrupt reign in history, more corrupt than sven ottke, I long for the day he gets into some trouble and we'll see the lengths the refs and officials go to to keep him in the fight

mind you they go to pretty extreme lengths everytime he fights any way

and every fight of wlads I have watched since his second reign has consisted of extreme holding, not just those two, if youd like me to watch another, one you feel he didn't bass his strategy on holding then let me know

and for the record, Im not saying wlad cant box, he definitely can, and if he had have been made to fight within the rules all his carear he would have become champ and lost it and probably won it and lost it again, he wouldn't have had the reign he has had

What about Muhammad Ali eric?

You cannot bash Wlad for cheating when most would agree that he would win most anyway.

Muhammad was gifted almost half an entire career, I would say that tops Wlad.

You cannot bash Wlad for cheating when most would agree that he would win most anyway. we will never know and its a daft point anyway, might as well give united a couple of penalties head start, theyd win the game anyway

and i dont think he would have won all of those fights had he been stopped from cheating, maybe he would have gone in to them all as the better boxer? maybe he wouldnt, but at the very least one of his opponents would have got to him and the fights would have been a lot more entertaining in the main

Muhammad was gifted almost half an entire career, I would say that tops Wlad. I am too young to really appreciate the Ali era, i wasnt around to watch it whilst it was happening, the fights i have seen i havent seen any gifts, point me out one that is a gift and ill watch it. I know ali also fought subpar opposition, but i havent seen any excessive cheating

so i dont think it is anywhere near the reign of wlad in terms of consistent prolonged excessive corruption