Subpar Foe Doesn't Mean Klitschko's Not An All-Timer

[Max Power]

Your a hardline on that Wlad cheating thing aren't you eric..

Yes, Wladimir doesn't know how to box. I would say that nobody revolutionised boxing like Wladimir did. He proved that all those things that those previous champs did were unnecessary in the case of himself and next to worthless in the case of his opponents.

Every opponent has the same plan. They're going to move, they're going to feint, they're going to go to the body blah blah and then when the fight comes, it's not that they aren't good. It's that they can't!

Did you watch the Thompson and Wach fights again? MOST of Wladimir's fights are boxing matches with only a little wrestling.

Povetkin and Peter are the worst examples, nothing else is that bad.

He's had some stinkers like Ibragimov but that was about as pure a boxing match as you can get.

He just unfortunately doesn't have a crowd pleasing style at best, but why would he want to jeapordise his titles by being a reckless brawler if he doesn't have to?

absolutely pal

boxing is a corrupt sport, we see that week in week out

but in my memory, wlads is the most consistently extended blatently corrupt reign in history, more corrupt than sven ottke, I long for the day he gets into some trouble and we'll see the lengths the refs and officials go to to keep him in the fight

mind you they go to pretty extreme lengths everytime he fights any way

and every fight of wlads I have watched since his second reign has consisted of extreme holding, not just those two, if youd like me to watch another, one you feel he didn't bass his strategy on holding then let me know

and for the record, Im not saying wlad cant box, he definitely can, and if he had have been made to fight within the rules all his carear he would have become champ and lost it and probably won it and lost it again, he wouldn't have had the reign he has had

What about Muhammad Ali eric?

You cannot bash Wlad for cheating when most would agree that he would win most anyway.

Muhammad was gifted almost half an entire career, I would say that tops Wlad.

[erics44]

Your a hardline on that Wlad cheating thing aren't you eric..

Yes, Wladimir doesn't know how to box. I would say that nobody revolutionised boxing like Wladimir did. He proved that all those things that those previous champs did were unnecessary in the case of himself and next to worthless in the case of his opponents.

Every opponent has the same plan. They're going to move, they're going to feint, they're going to go to the body blah blah and then when the fight comes, it's not that they aren't good. It's that they can't!

Did you watch the Thompson and Wach fights again? MOST of Wladimir's fights are boxing matches with only a little wrestling.

Povetkin and Peter are the worst examples, nothing else is that bad.

He's had some stinkers like Ibragimov but that was about as pure a boxing match as you can get.

He just unfortunately doesn't have a crowd pleasing style at best, but why would he want to jeapordise his titles by being a reckless brawler if he doesn't have to?

absolutely pal

boxing is a corrupt sport, we see that week in week out

but in my memory, wlads is the most consistently extended blatently corrupt reign in history, more corrupt than sven ottke, I long for the day he gets into some trouble and we'll see the lengths the refs and officials go to to keep him in the fight

mind you they go to pretty extreme lengths everytime he fights any way

and every fight of wlads I have watched since his second reign has consisted of extreme holding, not just those two, if youd like me to watch another, one you feel he didn't bass his strategy on holding then let me know

and for the record, Im not saying wlad cant box, he definitely can, and if he had have been made to fight within the rules all his carear he would have become champ and lost it and probably won it and lost it again, he wouldn't have had the reign he has had

What about Muhammad Ali eric?

You cannot bash Wlad for cheating when most would agree that he would win most anyway.

Muhammad was gifted almost half an entire career, I would say that tops Wlad.

You cannot bash Wlad for cheating when most would agree that he would win most anyway. we will never know and its a daft point anyway, might as well give united a couple of penalties head start, theyd win the game anyway

and i dont think he would have won all of those fights had he been stopped from cheating, maybe he would have gone in to them all as the better boxer? maybe he wouldnt, but at the very least one of his opponents would have got to him and the fights would have been a lot more entertaining in the main

Muhammad was gifted almost half an entire career, I would say that tops Wlad. I am too young to really appreciate the Ali era, i wasnt around to watch it whilst it was happening, the fights i have seen i havent seen any gifts, point me out one that is a gift and ill watch it. I know ali also fought subpar opposition, but i havent seen any excessive cheating

so i dont think it is anywhere near the reign of wlad in terms of consistent prolonged excessive corruption

[Mr140]

There has only really been a few fights were i think Wald has over did it compared to past greats when i comes to holding. I think you have grudge because of the Haye fight were Haye ran then hugged Wald trying to blow him. Wald may not be the best to ever walk the planet but you have some grudge over him its got to be that i guess. Reason being before the Haye fight you never mention Wald in such a bad light but after he beat Haye and in that fight Wlad was not the one going for holds or running so it was pretty much Haye. I don't think you should hate Wald for that thought dude come on now.

[erics44]

There has only really been a few fights were i think Wald has over did it compared to past greats when i comes to holding. I think you have grudge because of the Haye fight were Haye ran then hugged Wald trying to blow him. Wald may not be the best to ever walk the planet but you have some grudge over him its got to be that i guess. Reason being before the Haye fight you never mention Wald in such a bad light but after he beat Haye and in that fight Wlad was not the one going for holds or running so it was pretty much Haye. I don't think you should hate Wald for that thought dude come on now.

you think so do you

you must have studdied my posts well

one point is tho, wlad has over held in more than just a few fights, id say its more like just a few fights where he hasnt

is it so inconceivable that all the people who wlad makes so rich wouldnt want wlad to still be champ in 10 years?

[Mr140]

Well it was mostly in the Haye build up you kept building up Haye and pissing lyle off but you never called Wald a cheat till after he beat Haye and it was not Wald doing most of fouling could be wrong maybe there another reason you do. I am just saying before the fight you never called Wald a cheat before.

[erics44]

Well it was mostly in the Haye build up you kept building up Haye and pissing lyle off but you never called Wald a cheat till after he beat Haye and it was not Wald doing most of fouling could be wrong maybe there another reason you do. I am just saying before the fight you never called Wald a cheat before.

you are right i definately wasnt as vocal about it in the past

i am bored of it now tho, id like the HW division back, it was always clear what was going on

before, during and after the haye fight and the several fights before and since all i hear is how much of gentlemen the klits are, how good they are for boxing

are they fuckers like, wlad cheats all the way through the majority of his fights and putting his opponents at more risk in the process, ok wlad is the champ and has a very good set up and is very good at what he does

see it for what it is tho

[Mr140]

Eric not getting better when they leave dude just going to fighters worse then them pretty much. Might get more exciting i guess but in truth the level will go down. I may just disagree with you hear but out of all Walds fights i only think maybe 15 percent of them were he really over did but to each his own.

[Max Power]

Your a hardline on that Wlad cheating thing aren't you eric..

Yes, Wladimir doesn't know how to box. I would say that nobody revolutionised boxing like Wladimir did. He proved that all those things that those previous champs did were unnecessary in the case of himself and next to worthless in the case of his opponents.

Every opponent has the same plan. They're going to move, they're going to feint, they're going to go to the body blah blah and then when the fight comes, it's not that they aren't good. It's that they can't!

Did you watch the Thompson and Wach fights again? MOST of Wladimir's fights are boxing matches with only a little wrestling.

Povetkin and Peter are the worst examples, nothing else is that bad.

He's had some stinkers like Ibragimov but that was about as pure a boxing match as you can get.

He just unfortunately doesn't have a crowd pleasing style at best, but why would he want to jeapordise his titles by being a reckless brawler if he doesn't have to?

absolutely pal

boxing is a corrupt sport, we see that week in week out

but in my memory, wlads is the most consistently extended blatently corrupt reign in history, more corrupt than sven ottke, I long for the day he gets into some trouble and we'll see the lengths the refs and officials go to to keep him in the fight

mind you they go to pretty extreme lengths everytime he fights any way

and every fight of wlads I have watched since his second reign has consisted of extreme holding, not just those two, if youd like me to watch another, one you feel he didn't bass his strategy on holding then let me know

and for the record, Im not saying wlad cant box, he definitely can, and if he had have been made to fight within the rules all his carear he would have become champ and lost it and probably won it and lost it again, he wouldn't have had the reign he has had

What about Muhammad Ali eric?

You cannot bash Wlad for cheating when most would agree that he would win most anyway.

Muhammad was gifted almost half an entire career, I would say that tops Wlad.

You cannot bash Wlad for cheating when most would agree that he would win most anyway. we will never know and its a daft point anyway, might as well give united a couple of penalties head start, theyd win the game anyway

and i dont think he would have won all of those fights had he been stopped from cheating, maybe he would have gone in to them all as the better boxer? maybe he wouldnt, but at the very least one of his opponents would have got to him and the fights would have been a lot more entertaining in the main

Muhammad was gifted almost half an entire career, I would say that tops Wlad. I am too young to really appreciate the Ali era, i wasnt around to watch it whilst it was happening, the fights i have seen i havent seen any gifts, point me out one that is a gift and ill watch it. I know ali also fought subpar opposition, but i havent seen any excessive cheating

so i dont think it is anywhere near the reign of wlad in terms of consistent prolonged excessive corruption

His 70's fights. His version of holding is not just a clinch and a reset, it's wrestling with grabbing behind the neck and pushing the head down. His signature move was pushing the head down. Check out all the clinches in Ali/Frazier 1 and watch him do this. It's a lot worse than Wlad's style.

As for gifts, there are numerous examples but probably the most obvious would be Ali vs Young. He was pretty soundly beaten, yet awarded the victory only a little shame facedly.

I don't consider any of Wlad's fights cheating personally with the exception of a grey area in the Povetkin fight. That COULD be considered cheating.

Even his next most clutchy fight Sam Peter, there was only half as much grappling as Ali's most grabby affair vs Frazier and as noted the clinching for Wlad was legal there, for Ali it would today lead probably to disqualification.

So no I don't really understand where your going with Wlad cheating because otherwise you'd have to say the same for Ali for one.

And what about Ruiz, he held a lot. Foreman.. Foreman pushed ppl all the time.

[erics44]

Your a hardline on that Wlad cheating thing aren't you eric..

Yes, Wladimir doesn't know how to box. I would say that nobody revolutionised boxing like Wladimir did. He proved that all those things that those previous champs did were unnecessary in the case of himself and next to worthless in the case of his opponents.

Every opponent has the same plan. They're going to move, they're going to feint, they're going to go to the body blah blah and then when the fight comes, it's not that they aren't good. It's that they can't!

Did you watch the Thompson and Wach fights again? MOST of Wladimir's fights are boxing matches with only a little wrestling.

Povetkin and Peter are the worst examples, nothing else is that bad.

He's had some stinkers like Ibragimov but that was about as pure a boxing match as you can get.

He just unfortunately doesn't have a crowd pleasing style at best, but why would he want to jeapordise his titles by being a reckless brawler if he doesn't have to?

absolutely pal

boxing is a corrupt sport, we see that week in week out

but in my memory, wlads is the most consistently extended blatently corrupt reign in history, more corrupt than sven ottke, I long for the day he gets into some trouble and we'll see the lengths the refs and officials go to to keep him in the fight

mind you they go to pretty extreme lengths everytime he fights any way

and every fight of wlads I have watched since his second reign has consisted of extreme holding, not just those two, if youd like me to watch another, one you feel he didn't bass his strategy on holding then let me know

and for the record, Im not saying wlad cant box, he definitely can, and if he had have been made to fight within the rules all his carear he would have become champ and lost it and probably won it and lost it again, he wouldn't have had the reign he has had

What about Muhammad Ali eric?

You cannot bash Wlad for cheating when most would agree that he would win most anyway.

Muhammad was gifted almost half an entire career, I would say that tops Wlad.

You cannot bash Wlad for cheating when most would agree that he would win most anyway. we will never know and its a daft point anyway, might as well give united a couple of penalties head start, theyd win the game anyway

and i dont think he would have won all of those fights had he been stopped from cheating, maybe he would have gone in to them all as the better boxer? maybe he wouldnt, but at the very least one of his opponents would have got to him and the fights would have been a lot more entertaining in the main

Muhammad was gifted almost half an entire career, I would say that tops Wlad. I am too young to really appreciate the Ali era, i wasnt around to watch it whilst it was happening, the fights i have seen i havent seen any gifts, point me out one that is a gift and ill watch it. I know ali also fought subpar opposition, but i havent seen any excessive cheating

so i dont think it is anywhere near the reign of wlad in terms of consistent prolonged excessive corruption

His 70's fights. His version of holding is not just a clinch and a reset, it's wrestling with grabbing behind the neck and pushing the head down. His signature move was pushing the head down. Check out all the clinches in Ali/Frazier 1 and watch him do this. It's a lot worse than Wlad's style.

As for gifts, there are numerous examples but probably the most obvious would be Ali vs Young. He was pretty soundly beaten, yet awarded the victory only a little shame facedly.

I don't consider any of Wlad's fights cheating personally with the exception of a grey area in the Povetkin fight. That COULD be considered cheating.

Even his next most clutchy fight Sam Peter, there was only half as much grappling as Ali's most grabby affair vs Frazier and as noted the clinching for Wlad was legal there, for Ali it would today lead probably to disqualification.

So no I don't really understand where your going with Wlad cheating because otherwise you'd have to say the same for Ali for one.

And what about Ruiz, he held a lot. Foreman.. Foreman pushed ppl all the time.

just watched it

i couldnt put in words how far from being as bad as wlads style it is