Subpar Foe Doesn't Mean Klitschko's Not An All-Timer

[Max Power]

Your a hardline on that Wlad cheating thing aren't you eric..

Yes, Wladimir doesn't know how to box. I would say that nobody revolutionised boxing like Wladimir did. He proved that all those things that those previous champs did were unnecessary in the case of himself and next to worthless in the case of his opponents.

Every opponent has the same plan. They're going to move, they're going to feint, they're going to go to the body blah blah and then when the fight comes, it's not that they aren't good. It's that they can't!

Did you watch the Thompson and Wach fights again? MOST of Wladimir's fights are boxing matches with only a little wrestling.

Povetkin and Peter are the worst examples, nothing else is that bad.

He's had some stinkers like Ibragimov but that was about as pure a boxing match as you can get.

He just unfortunately doesn't have a crowd pleasing style at best, but why would he want to jeapordise his titles by being a reckless brawler if he doesn't have to?

absolutely pal

boxing is a corrupt sport, we see that week in week out

but in my memory, wlads is the most consistently extended blatently corrupt reign in history, more corrupt than sven ottke, I long for the day he gets into some trouble and we'll see the lengths the refs and officials go to to keep him in the fight

mind you they go to pretty extreme lengths everytime he fights any way

and every fight of wlads I have watched since his second reign has consisted of extreme holding, not just those two, if youd like me to watch another, one you feel he didn't bass his strategy on holding then let me know

and for the record, Im not saying wlad cant box, he definitely can, and if he had have been made to fight within the rules all his carear he would have become champ and lost it and probably won it and lost it again, he wouldn't have had the reign he has had

What about Muhammad Ali eric?

You cannot bash Wlad for cheating when most would agree that he would win most anyway.

Muhammad was gifted almost half an entire career, I would say that tops Wlad.

You cannot bash Wlad for cheating when most would agree that he would win most anyway. we will never know and its a daft point anyway, might as well give united a couple of penalties head start, theyd win the game anyway

and i dont think he would have won all of those fights had he been stopped from cheating, maybe he would have gone in to them all as the better boxer? maybe he wouldnt, but at the very least one of his opponents would have got to him and the fights would have been a lot more entertaining in the main

Muhammad was gifted almost half an entire career, I would say that tops Wlad. I am too young to really appreciate the Ali era, i wasnt around to watch it whilst it was happening, the fights i have seen i havent seen any gifts, point me out one that is a gift and ill watch it. I know ali also fought subpar opposition, but i havent seen any excessive cheating

so i dont think it is anywhere near the reign of wlad in terms of consistent prolonged excessive corruption

His 70's fights. His version of holding is not just a clinch and a reset, it's wrestling with grabbing behind the neck and pushing the head down. His signature move was pushing the head down. Check out all the clinches in Ali/Frazier 1 and watch him do this. It's a lot worse than Wlad's style.

As for gifts, there are numerous examples but probably the most obvious would be Ali vs Young. He was pretty soundly beaten, yet awarded the victory only a little shame facedly.

I don't consider any of Wlad's fights cheating personally with the exception of a grey area in the Povetkin fight. That COULD be considered cheating.

Even his next most clutchy fight Sam Peter, there was only half as much grappling as Ali's most grabby affair vs Frazier and as noted the clinching for Wlad was legal there, for Ali it would today lead probably to disqualification.

So no I don't really understand where your going with Wlad cheating because otherwise you'd have to say the same for Ali for one.

And what about Ruiz, he held a lot. Foreman.. Foreman pushed ppl all the time.

[erics44]

Your a hardline on that Wlad cheating thing aren't you eric..

Yes, Wladimir doesn't know how to box. I would say that nobody revolutionised boxing like Wladimir did. He proved that all those things that those previous champs did were unnecessary in the case of himself and next to worthless in the case of his opponents.

Every opponent has the same plan. They're going to move, they're going to feint, they're going to go to the body blah blah and then when the fight comes, it's not that they aren't good. It's that they can't!

Did you watch the Thompson and Wach fights again? MOST of Wladimir's fights are boxing matches with only a little wrestling.

Povetkin and Peter are the worst examples, nothing else is that bad.

He's had some stinkers like Ibragimov but that was about as pure a boxing match as you can get.

He just unfortunately doesn't have a crowd pleasing style at best, but why would he want to jeapordise his titles by being a reckless brawler if he doesn't have to?

absolutely pal

boxing is a corrupt sport, we see that week in week out

but in my memory, wlads is the most consistently extended blatently corrupt reign in history, more corrupt than sven ottke, I long for the day he gets into some trouble and we'll see the lengths the refs and officials go to to keep him in the fight

mind you they go to pretty extreme lengths everytime he fights any way

and every fight of wlads I have watched since his second reign has consisted of extreme holding, not just those two, if youd like me to watch another, one you feel he didn't bass his strategy on holding then let me know

and for the record, Im not saying wlad cant box, he definitely can, and if he had have been made to fight within the rules all his carear he would have become champ and lost it and probably won it and lost it again, he wouldn't have had the reign he has had

What about Muhammad Ali eric?

You cannot bash Wlad for cheating when most would agree that he would win most anyway.

Muhammad was gifted almost half an entire career, I would say that tops Wlad.

You cannot bash Wlad for cheating when most would agree that he would win most anyway. we will never know and its a daft point anyway, might as well give united a couple of penalties head start, theyd win the game anyway

and i dont think he would have won all of those fights had he been stopped from cheating, maybe he would have gone in to them all as the better boxer? maybe he wouldnt, but at the very least one of his opponents would have got to him and the fights would have been a lot more entertaining in the main

Muhammad was gifted almost half an entire career, I would say that tops Wlad. I am too young to really appreciate the Ali era, i wasnt around to watch it whilst it was happening, the fights i have seen i havent seen any gifts, point me out one that is a gift and ill watch it. I know ali also fought subpar opposition, but i havent seen any excessive cheating

so i dont think it is anywhere near the reign of wlad in terms of consistent prolonged excessive corruption

His 70's fights. His version of holding is not just a clinch and a reset, it's wrestling with grabbing behind the neck and pushing the head down. His signature move was pushing the head down. Check out all the clinches in Ali/Frazier 1 and watch him do this. It's a lot worse than Wlad's style.

As for gifts, there are numerous examples but probably the most obvious would be Ali vs Young. He was pretty soundly beaten, yet awarded the victory only a little shame facedly.

I don't consider any of Wlad's fights cheating personally with the exception of a grey area in the Povetkin fight. That COULD be considered cheating.

Even his next most clutchy fight Sam Peter, there was only half as much grappling as Ali's most grabby affair vs Frazier and as noted the clinching for Wlad was legal there, for Ali it would today lead probably to disqualification.

So no I don't really understand where your going with Wlad cheating because otherwise you'd have to say the same for Ali for one.

And what about Ruiz, he held a lot. Foreman.. Foreman pushed ppl all the time.

just watched it

i couldnt put in words how far from being as bad as wlads style it is