Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

[Master]

Only 37 having achieved Olympic gold medal, unified the division with all the politics involved beat everyone there was realistically available. Yes Lewis was old and secure.

[Mr140]

Yea Max Wald just faced the best there has ever been give me break dude just please. As for Lewis he was almost 38 few months away worth 150 mil and was saying he was retiring. He was going to fight Tyson but fell through for the money but fought Vatili and mad his face look like a vag and retired that is all i can say man. Who is it that was better then Sanders that Wald has fought can you give me some names and as far as the older Brother how can you really see growth when the comp is no were close to the guy who beat him it is a hard thing to do my friend not easy at all.

[Max Power]

Actually your wrong, Lennox was going to fight Johnson until Johnson pulled out with an injury.

Look man, Wlad MIGHT or MIGHT NOT have beaten anybody as good as Sanders. But Haye, Peter, Ibragimov, Thompson, Povetkin, Chagaev, Rahman all could have been for example, Sanders certainly lost to lesser fighters than that! In the end that is irrelevant because LEwis himself never even fought Sanders! Who's to say that Sander's could not have got the early drop on Lewis either on the right night? He certainly COULD have!

But Vitali's comp was not bad. He fought the heftiest opponents with the best records of all time. Everybody was either a champion, past present or future, and unbeaten top contender or a veteran with a good record and/or otherwise a giant puncher.

And since LEwis, Vitali has simply punched the living shit out of ALL of his opponents so strikingly, without losing hardly a round, without ever being behind on pts, without hitting the deck...

When Lewis fought his LESSER OPPONENTS than Vitali... He was not so strikingly dominant. He sometimes got knocked out, he sometimes struggled with guys like Mercer etc, which Vitali would simply beat to a pulp! I see more consistency with Vitali than I do with Lewis.

That's how I can say that Vitali improved. I'm not basing it on the single best opponent like yoou are because that's convenient for Lewis since he fought Vitali last. I'm basing it on the fact that the general overall level of Vitali's opponents significantly picked up AFTER Lewis than he fought BEFORE, and his performance was held extraordinarily.

Have you even seen some of those fights? Nobody in their right mind would label that brother "boring"

[palmerq]

I am a big corey sanders fan .. but i think people are getting a bit carried away with his actual abilty... he beat wlad fair and square, wladimir was young and got ko'd.. Wladimir has definently improved since then, and fights a lot smarter now, it is strange to think(looking at the way he boxes now) but back in his earlier pro days he was very aggresive and it cost him.. Sanders was a pretty good guy, very tough and hit hard.... but he was a complete wild man who did not defend himself at all, he was very easy to hit.. He's a good opponent for a lot of guys but he was not at the top level in my opinion... Him v haye prime for prime would be a very interesting fight... I think haye would have ko'd him, but sanders had long arms he could have sent him to the floor just as easy.. Anyway sanders was great fun to watch and underrated but he was never that great.

as for vitali being in his prime when he face lewis... maybe we can compare the career of lewis and vitali .. vitali was 31 when he fought lewis and when lewis was between teh ages of 30-32 he had a very close fight against a competent but not world class boxer coming off a loss in ray mercer, some people on this forum even think mercer won that.. he went on to face shannon briggs and ko'd him in style but was wobbled badly twice.. Now lennox won these fights but in my opinion lennox definently improved after these fights to get his career best wins v holyfield and maybe even vitali.. Lennox certainly improved after turning 30 so i dont think it is far fetched that vitali improved a lot after the fight v lennox either..


Even though i am a big klitschko fan Lewis was a greta boxer and I do not know if vitali would have ever beaten him, obviously i believe he could have though !

[Max Power]

I am a big corey sanders fan .. but i think people are getting a bit carried away with his actual abilty... he beat wlad fair and square, wladimir was young and got ko'd.. Wladimir has definently improved since then, and fights a lot smarter now, it is strange to think(looking at the way he boxes now) but back in his earlier pro days he was very aggresive and it cost him.. Sanders was a pretty good guy, very tough and hit hard.... but he was a complete wild man who did not defend himself at all, he was very easy to hit.. He's a good opponent for a lot of guys but he was not at the top level in my opinion... Him v haye prime for prime would be a very interesting fight... I think haye would have ko'd him, but sanders had long arms he could have sent him to the floor just as easy.. Anyway sanders was great fun to watch and underrated but he was never that great.

as for vitali being in his prime when he face lewis... maybe we can compare the career of lewis and vitali .. vitali was 31 when he fought lewis and when lewis was between teh ages of 30-32 he had a very close fight against a competent but not world class boxer coming off a loss in ray mercer, some people on this forum even think mercer won that.. he went on to face shannon briggs and ko'd him in style but was wobbled badly twice.. Now lennox won these fights but in my opinion lennox definently improved after these fights to get his career best wins v holyfield and maybe even vitali.. Lennox certainly improved after turning 30 so i dont think it is far fetched that vitali improved a lot after the fight v lennox either..


Even though i am a big klitschko fan Lewis was a greta boxer and I do not know if vitali would have ever beaten him, obviously i believe he could have though !

And this @palmerq is pretty much EXACTLY my opinion on these issues in total. Respect!

I am fan of both boxers and believe they are not far removed as either side tries to sell.

As for Sander's you are right about his defense and wild style and that's precisely why he was was not a great fighter. What I would call him was a very DANGEROUS fighter because on a given night he had very high potential to cause an upset because of his unique qualities, but he could also be beaten soundly as well. You mean "Corrie" Sander's not "Corey", they are different boxers.

[palmerq]

You mean "Corrie" Sander's not "Corey", they are different boxers.

yes you are right there... i got that one wrong completley S: i meant the south african corey.... he was just great fun to watch, I do think if he was a better looking man and not from an obscure boxing country then he would have been a fairly big star(with a few more losses on his record but it would have been fun!)