Is Mayweather a all time great?

[Rantcatrat]

@Beanflicker - I don't think you should be too surprised that there people who view Mayweather's accomplishments as not quite at the same level as you might view them. There's no doubt he is a first ballot inductee to the Hall of Fame. There's also no doubt that in the last 25 years he is one of the top three boxers to fight. There's an aura, however, about some of historical fighters that eludes Mayweather.

Take Duran. Duran started out as a lightweight, moved on to welterweight, middleweight and then super middleweight. He fought Hagler, Hearns and Barkley at middleweight. I don't rate Martinez/GGG on the level of Hagler at middleweight, but it would be the equivalent of Mayweather moving up to middleweight and facing that type of competition. Keep in mind Duran was only 5'7. Those are risky fights for a guy his size. That kind of risk-taking endeared him to boxing fans and boxing historians. There is the impression that Mayweather hasn't taken those type of risks. He also isn't retired yet so let's withhold judgment.

Take Harry Greb too. I wrote a long post in another thread briefly explaining Greb's greatness that I'm not sure you had a chance to respond to. You'll see that in one year, not even his best year, he fought 4 future Hall of Famers when they were on their game, not post-prime, and 10 other title holder- level opponents. That's outright crazy. Times are different now, but still.

How many guys on Mayweather's CV will make the Hall of Fame and did Mayweather face them at their best? The Hall of Fame measure is subjective, but we can use it as a gauge.

Also, at this point, who would you say is Mayweather's signature victory when he was on top his game and the guy on the other side of the ring was on top of his game? Duran's Leonard. Tunney's Dempsey. etc. How would you compare that victory to the best victory of the greats?

Just so we're clear, throughout 2007-2011, there was this phenomenon that you either were a fan of Mayweather or Pacquiao, but not both. I don't subscribe to that idea. I like both guys. In my opinion, they're both greats.

[Mr140]

Lol Bradlee put Pac over Leonard what a fucking nut huger you are dude. Pac lost in his early days and also never beat Jmm convincingly ever then got koed by a 40 year old version. If you don't list Mayweather then Pac is not a atg either there both in top 20 i have Mayweather above Pac don't even like him and have him ahead. Mayweather had a few close fights in his career one at the start one when he was 37 but you could make a argument that he won them. Pac move up was pretty much him beating the guys Mayweather already did and making them cut more weight to have advantage. He lost to a ageing Morales who was coming off a loss why did Pac not fight the man who outboxed Morales. 135 he beat diaz big fucking deal, and then there was 154 he beat Margarito who just came off the worst ass beating ever i mean come on dude. Pac beast wins are Barrea, Morles and Jmm who he was gifted he not even the best fighter in the past 25 years like you said earlier i say Lewis was higher then him. Look i know you fucking hate Mayweather and all but for fuck sake try to have some fucking knowledge besides being a fan of one guy.

[bradlee180]

Floyd is not & never will be one of the ATG's. The reason for this is totally his own fault.
He has the natural God Given talent to be an ATG but lacks the heart & cojones of a real champion. He has cherry picked his opponents , blatantly ducking those considered dangerous. He ha made demands on all opponents he has forced them to come to his home town , Vegas he wont attempt to fight anywhere else. He knows all he has to do is be standing at the final bell & he wins in Vegas.
The sad part is that if Floyd had faced Paquaio, Margarito, Cotto, Williams etc when he should have he could well have beaten them all. Then maybe he would really be the ATG he self proclaims to be. But he didn't so Floyd will always be nothing more than a very talented wanna beee. What a waste of incredible talent

Ya hit the nail right on the head...

[mrbig1]

To have Manny #9 all time is a joke. I don't think he ever beat JMM. Floyd took JMM to school. I had the fight 9-3. I'm not saying Manny is not great. I am saying that Manny at his very best could never beat Money at his best. If fact JMM said the same thing, and he should know.