Is Mayweather a all time great?

[bradlee180]

No, Mayweather's not all All-Time Great.

He's a very good defensive boxer, but not a Great fighter.
One of the most well-schooled nowadays.

Too many top guys that he didn't fight, or didn't fight in their prime.
He always stacked the deck in every way imaginable.

[bradlee180]

An All-Time Great should have Great takedown defense, and Mayweather certainly doesn't have that as evidenced by how easily Maidana tackled him and took him down so easily in the 11th rd last night, and Floyd doesn't know how to breakfall properly either, breakfall to protect oneself. Yep, Rousey by armbar if that fight ever happened...

[Rantcatrat]

He's a first ballot Hall of Fame fighter.

[VG_Addict]

Without a doubt. He's beaten the likes of Hatton, Judah, Corrales, Marquez, Cotto, Canelo, Genaro, and Guerrero.

If he beats the Thurman-Porter winner, Lara if he beats Canelo, and the winner of Cotto-Martinez, he'll be a top 20 ATG.

[FinitoElDinamita]

He's definitely an ATG but on the bottom of the list near Whitaker...

He's clearly below the likes of Leonard and Duran..

[Beanflicker]

If he beats the Thurman-Porter winner, Lara if he beats Canelo, and the winner of Cotto-Martinez, he'll be a top 20 ATG.

LOL, only then eh? Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

[bradlee180]

Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Manny Pacquiao
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes

[palmerq]

I think if mayweather is not rated as an all time great then it's impossible to be rated as an atg in this generation... Not sure what else he can do, he's 37 and still beating guys who gain 18.5 pounds after the weigh in whilst floyd is only gaining 2.. It was a tough fight for sure but I dont think it can be branded as a robbery at all.. He has a great record and even though he is small for a welterweight he even went up to 154(well 152 really :S) and beat the highly rated/hyped, young and huge alvarez.. Mayweather is top class and still going great.. Maybe he didn't get every huge fight made but it does take a lot of people to make the fights not just the fighters, with all the promoter and management nonsense I think floyds done fine with the guys he's taken on....


I don't know enough about boxing history to say where he would rank but he has looked pretty great to me, just my opinion though

[Beanflicker]

Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Manny Pacquiao
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes

Of course, great list. Mayweather's opposition could never compare to the opposition of those guys LOL

[powerpuncher]

Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Manny Pacquiao
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes

you had me thinking that you knew what you were talking about until 1)you put pac at #9 which is a red flag that you are a huge pac fan which means you hate floyd. even if somehow you ranked pac above floyd, there is no way to justify ranking him that much higher, and 2)there are names on your list i believe you are just naming because you have just heard they were good. for example, im a huge ike williams fan but he isnt even a top 5 lightweight of all time let alone better than floyd. and sanchez died at the age of 23 (i think), and yes he had good wins but didnt have a long enough career, enough signature wins or even look as good as floyd to claim that he was better. there are some others on your list that i could dispute too but it would be way too long.

[Vendettos]

Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Manny Pacquiao
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali <~~~~I rate Floyd higher
4. Joe Louis <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
5. Roberto Duran <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
8. Benny Leonard <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
9. Manny Pacquiao <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
11. Carlos Monzon <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
12. Rocky Marciano <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher - HAHAHA Marciano 12th of all time? Lmao.
13. Ezzard Charles <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
14. Archie Moore <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
15. Sandy Saddler <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
20. Alexis Arguello <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
21. Barney Ross <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
22. Evander Holyfield <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
23. Ike Williams <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
24. Salvador Sanchez <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
25. George Foreman <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
26. Kid Gavilian <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
27. Larry Holmes <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher


Just my opinion, and I don't even like Floyd.

But Marciano ? That's not right.

[C.J.Rock]

No, Mayweather's not all All-Time Great.

He's a very good defensive boxer, but not a Great fighter.
One of the most well-schooled nowadays.

Too many top guys that he didn't fight, or didn't fight in their prime.
He always stacked the deck in every way imaginable.

Floyd is not & never will be one of the ATG's. The reason for this is totally his own fault.
He has the natural God Given talent to be an ATG but lacks the heart & cojones of a real champion. He has cherry picked his opponents , blatantly ducking those considered dangerous. He ha made demands on all opponents he has forced them to come to his home town , Vegas he wont attempt to fight anywhere else. He knows all he has to do is be standing at the final bell & he wins in Vegas.
The sad part is that if Floyd had faced Paquaio, Margarito, Cotto, Williams etc when he should have he could well have beaten them all. Then maybe he would really be the ATG he self proclaims to be. But he didn't so Floyd will always be nothing more than a very talented wanna beee. What a waste of incredible talent

[Beanflicker]

Floyd is not & never will be one of the ATG's. The reason for this is totally his own fault.
He has the natural God Given talent to be an ATG but lacks the heart & cojones of a real champion. He has cherry picked his opponents , blatantly ducking those considered dangerous. He ha made demands on all opponents he has forced them to come to his home town , Vegas he wont attempt to fight anywhere else. He knows all he has to do is be standing at the final bell & he wins in Vegas.
The sad part is that if Floyd had faced Paquaio, Margarito, Cotto, Williams etc when he should have he could well have beaten them all. Then maybe he would really be the ATG he self proclaims to be. But he didn't so Floyd will always be nothing more than a very talented wanna beee. What a waste of incredible talent

It's incredible to me that someone could actually believe that. Unreal.

[killersheep]

Floyd will probably be considered an ATG because of how long he's held the public's attention. Being such a polarizing figure in the world of boxing for so long, he's played it right. 50 years from now there will be very little discussion of his opposition or anything of that nature. We know this because in a historical lens there are fewer and fewer historians amongst us in the boxing world. You see a much more common Rocky Marciano as the undefeated fighter as opposed to who did Rocky Marciano fight? Was his opposition faded? Sugar Ray Robinson won 170ish fights, what were his signature victories?
History favors the news makers and that's something Floyd has done his entire career.

Personally I don't discount Floyd's record, he has some very good wins over respectable opponents. Could he have taken more risks? Sure, but in this era it has been shown that the money goes to those that manage their careers, rather than those who fight all the best challenges. Take for instance Cotto, he has done well but he will never earn the money or have the ongoing discussion about him that Mayweather does. Consistently over the last decade only two boxers have had their names plastered in the headlines Pacquiao and Mayweather.

At the end of the day, I am skeptical about any ATG or P4P list, as they all opinion and ignore the differences in eras.

[powerpuncher]

yes, without a doubt. it just depends where you rank him among the ATG's.