Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

[Mr140]

All i am going to say is that when Louis, Ali, and Holmes were champs they were seen as the champs. Wald was not champ or seen as one in the first run. After the Bryde rematch and Samuel Peters fight he was then the man. Then his brother comes back he is not really the man anymore because he is not fighting the best guy in his era. Say what you want about weight and all but at least the guys in the top ten fought the best there was Wald has not regardless has to be down graded for it. Holyfeild has a few loses but he fought fucking every one and most of his loses were after his 40's, Tyson fought everyone, and Lewis fought everyone and avenged his loses, but the brothers split there shit up and never fought one another they kinda fucked up. Shit most people consider them the same person hard to judge if they never fight its a big problem dude.

[Max Power]

Alright I'm going to give this to you, those past champions were considered "the champ" in their title fights or straight away thereafter (i.e. Ali vs Foreman etc). Whereas Wladimir was for instance not considered the top dog for earlier defences.

I guess there will be many different levels of what the set record is.

I think "performance in world title fights" as I refer to is applicable, you see further criteria that penalises many boxers but particularly the brothers. This is exactly what I was referring to at the start of this thread, the closer Wlad gets to the record, the further detractors will attempt to push the boundary out.

Well I have a cherry picked statistic of my own too, one that I feel is more relevant than all others.

Performance in 200+ World title fights.. What we would TODAY consider HW!

It's then clear that no matter how you spin it, Wladimir tops with Louis a distant 7th place!

What do you think of that record!

[Mr140]

Well a heavyweight today is different then it was 60 years ago my friend i don't take that into account. The fact is he was a heavyweight and the guys he fought were consider heavies. I would say if they had all the shit we have today to make you stronger and bigger they might do just as well. I think the fact that for so much of Wald title reign he was not consider the man mostly because of his brother. Should he get a pass and not be put down notch for not fighting the best there was. All those guys on the list fought the best people they could i sure as shit don't have Jack Dempsey there he would not fight black people which is bullshit and fucks his legacy up because he did not fight the best. There has never been a top 10 champ who did not face the best there was until you get to the brothers i am not saying its fair but it effects it for me.

[Max Power]

Well a heavyweight today is different then it was 60 years ago my friend i don't take that into account. The fact is he was a heavyweight and the guys he fought were consider heavies. I would say if they had all the shit we have today to make you stronger and bigger they might do just as well. I think the fact that for so much of Wald title reign he was not consider the man mostly because of his brother. Should he get a pass and not be put down notch for not fighting the best there was. All those guys on the list fought the best people they could i sure as shit don't have Jack Demsey there he would not fight black people.

Well I am glad to hear that atleast! lol

Yeah well Wlad DID fight the best there was at the time he was a title holder EXCEPT his brother, so yeah I will give him a pass. I mean fuck me, that's a pretty decent reason right! If you want to speculate on who was better go for it, but cutting their achievements in half because they co-existed is over the top. Let's say Vitali won, I'd just consider Vitali #1 and Wlad number #2 out of them anyway and still rank them right at the top with Lennox Lewis anyway so it'd matter not that much if they fought to me!

When Alex Leapai is your worst opponent in like 10 years that's a pretty good sign to me he's on a roll.

[Mr140]

I just wish they were more like the Spinks because i pretty sure they might try to kill one another and i get to see one man stand on top know he is the guy. The list to me is not a head to head thing really and i judge eras from the 60's back differently from now. I rank the brothers in top ten from 80's to 10's were i rank them i do no know because i would have to really look at what every one has done. The old timers did not have any of the advantages we have today like peds and nutrition we have today. Only way i could judge them is if we could get them in a time machine and let them have all the advantages then fight that would be the fairest way i guess you could do it. Thats a hard ask though so i tend to just go by dividing up the old and new eras when it comes to heavyweights not so bad with other weight classes.

[Max Power]

I just wish they were more like the Spinks because i pretty sure they might try to kill one another and i get to see one man stand on top know he is the guy. The list to me is not a head to head thing really and i judge eras from the 60's back differently from now. I rank the brothers in top ten from 80's to 10's were i rank them i do no know because i would have to really look at what every one has done. The old timers did not have any of the advantages we have today like peds and nutrition we have today. Only way i could judge them is if we could get them in a time machine and let them have all the advantages then fight that would be the fairest way i guess you could do it. Thats a hard ask though so i tend to just go by dividing up the old and new eras when it comes to heavyweights not so bad with other weight classes.

I somewhat have to agree, it's unfair to judge based on different criteria.

And sure, achievement wise I do consider what Louis did the record breaking affair of course, that was HW, that's what it was.

What do you mean about Spinks though? Those brothers did not fight each other either did they

[Mr140]

I just thinking with the way they were they would of fucked one another up if they were in the same division and had to unify. I could be wrong i don't think they would of had the love really not to fight feel like they would of gone at it i am pretty sure Micheal would of end up winning it as well.