Is Mayweather a all time great?

[Freedom]

Mayweather may have had the ability to become an ATG, but avoided too many prime fighters along the way and cherry-picked limited (Baldomir, Mitchell, etc) or faded (Oscar, Mosley, Hernandez, etc) opponents.

He avoided:

prime Cotto
prime Mosley
prime De La Hoya
Kostya Tszyu
Vernon Forrest
Paul Williams
Antonio Margarito
Manny Pacquiao

Floyd decided to "retire" when the welterweight division was at it's best in 2007-2009 with Cotto, Margarito, Williams, Mosley, etc.

[Ron Swanson]

[QUOTE=Freedom;1243763]Mayweather may have had the ability to become an ATG, but avoided too many prime fighters along the way and cherry-picked limited (Baldomir, Mitchell, etc) or faded (Oscar, Mosley, Hernandez, etc) opponents.

He avoided:

prime Cotto(Floyd said he wanted. 10 mill and it was on, Bob said no. It's in Dan Rafaels archives. Bob said the money wasn't there so Floyd faught him when Bob was out of the picture for 40 million. Really think about what Bob said and what happened and who was the hindrance)
prime Mosley(Floyd offered Shane 8 million to fight Shane said he had a toothache err needed a vacation and turned around and fought one month later for less than 2 million. Who was the hindance there)
prime De La Hoya(Floyd from the beginning of his career always begged for this fight)
Kostya Tszyu(tough to make with HBO/Showtime issue, neither was big enough then to force a collaboration)
Vernon Forrest(never in same division)
Paul Williams(okay, I'll give you this one although I think PWs rise in the WW division and departure from happened while Floyd was gone but I'm not sure)
Antonio Margarito(hahaha but for the record see Cotto, Floyd gave Bob an amount and Bob said no. Same Dan Rafael archive can prove it)
Manny Pacquiao(Floyd agreed and Pac backed out. Both of these two are to blame over this fiasco but you can never take away the fact that the fight was once on and Floyd was good to go at the exact time the fight was right Floyd was in. That's not opinion that's a fact)

[Rantcatrat]

[QUOTE=Ron Swanson;1243770]

Mayweather may have had the ability to become an ATG, but avoided too many prime fighters along the way and cherry-picked limited (Baldomir, Mitchell, etc) or faded (Oscar, Mosley, Hernandez, etc) opponents.

He avoided:

prime Cotto(Floyd said he wanted. 10 mill and it was on, Bob said no. It's in Dan Rafaels archives. Bob said the money wasn't there so Floyd faught him when Bob was out of the picture for 40 million. Really think about what Bob said and what happened and who was the hindrance)
prime Mosley(Floyd offered Shane 8 million to fight Shane said he had a toothache err needed a vacation and turned around and fought one month later for less than 2 million. Who was the hindance there)
prime De La Hoya(Floyd from the beginning of his career always begged for this fight)
Kostya Tszyu(tough to make with HBO/Showtime issue, neither was big enough then to force a collaboration)
Vernon Forrest(never in same division)
Paul Williams(okay, I'll give you this one although I think PWs rise in the WW division and departure from happened while Floyd was gone but I'm not sure)
Antonio Margarito(hahaha but for the record see Cotto, Floyd gave Bob an amount and Bob said no. Same Dan Rafael archive can prove it)
Manny Pacquiao(Floyd agreed and Pac backed out. Both of these two are to blame over this fiasco but you can never take away the fact that the fight was once on and Floyd was good to go at the exact time the fight was right Floyd was in. That's not opinion that's a fact)

I disagree with the avoided concept for Floyd's career. It's more accurate to describe it as missed. Avoided implies it was all Floyd's fault, which it might have been with some of the opponents, but it wasn't with all of them.

Floyd missed everyone on that list though for one reason or the other.

I'm not sure why the reason isn't pretty obvious: He's had Bob Arum or Al Haymon guiding his career at all times. They've done a terrific job. How many famous boxers die penniless? Floyd's the richest athlete in the world and he has no endorsements in a niche sport. That's crazy talk.

[bradlee180]

Richest athlete in the world doesn't mean much.

Mike Tyson and Holyfield are broke, lost it all, and they had endorsements on top of massive ring-earnings. And Mayweather has already had his tax issues on a couple of occasions. Tyson grossed about 350 million in purses alone.

And the same applies to many NFL and NBA athletes too.

It turns out that child-support payments breaks many athletes, often an athlete paying 5 or more women because he was poking everything that moved!

Holyfield with 12 kids by 6 women, ahah hah!

[VG_Addict]

Floyd's performance at 130 alone makes him an ATG.

He's a top 5 all time at 130.

[powerpuncher]

Richest athlete in the world doesn't mean much.

Mike Tyson and Holyfield are broke, lost it all, and they had endorsements on top of massive ring-earnings. And Mayweather has already had his tax issues on a couple of occasions. Tyson grossed about 350 million in purses alone.

And the same applies to many NFL and NBA athletes too.

It turns out that child-support payments breaks many athletes, often an athlete paying 5 or more women because he was poking everything that moved!

Holyfield with 12 kids by 6 women, ahah hah!

the difference is that someone like tyson would blow all of his money right after a fight. even though floyd may be stupid in some respects, he seems pretty business savvy. i dont really see him going broke. he is super rich and has a lot of connections. IMO i believe that his promotional company will boom once he retires.