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    I was never coached to use the jab, straight, left hook. Do you escape left generally, turn and reset?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    I was never coached to use the jab, straight, left hook. Do you escape left generally, turn and reset?
    Yes, all the great trainers insisted on it for that reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    I was never coached to use the jab, straight, left hook. Do you escape left generally, turn and reset?
    Yes, all the great trainers insisted on it for that reason.

    That was one of the first real combinations other than a one-two that I was taught. And forced to practice it regularly. But that was 25 years ago.

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    Right on about the jab in general. Seems like a lot of it today is flick jab, throw away jabs to blind but you don't see a lot of stabbing to the boby, hard double jabbing to offset a guy. As simplistic as it sounds..basic combination punching and we need less of this trap boxing..setting up for the big counters prematurely. Fire before the smoke even churns.

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    I was told a jab can be hard, fast, soft, range finder, stay busy, type action. It is the first thing a tired fighters forgets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    I was told a jab can be hard, fast, soft, range finder, stay busy, type action. It is the first thing a tired fighters forgets.
    Another thing regarding the jab you don't see much is changing up the speed to avoid getting timed. Being Canadian I am forced by law to watch hockey. I remember reading an article by an opponent of Wayne Gretzky saying that he would seem to be skating at a certain pace and as soon as you think you have him timed for a check or whatever he suddenly shifts gears one way or another before you even get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frasd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    I was told a jab can be hard, fast, soft, range finder, stay busy, type action. It is the first thing a tired fighters forgets.
    Another thing regarding the jab you don't see much is changing up the speed to avoid getting timed. Being Canadian I am forced by law to watch hockey. I remember reading an article by an opponent of Wayne Gretzky saying that he would seem to be skating at a certain pace and as soon as you think you have him timed for a check or whatever he suddenly shifts gears one way or another before you even get there.
    Floyd times the jab with a fast right hand over the top perfectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frasd View Post
    Another thing regarding the jab you don't see much is changing up the speed to avoid getting timed. Being Canadian I am forced by law to watch hockey. I remember reading an article by an opponent of Wayne Gretzky saying that he would seem to be skating at a certain pace and as soon as you think you have him timed for a check or whatever he suddenly shifts gears one way or another before you even get there.
    A lot of athletes in other sports do that and for sure it is a good technique. Wrestlers in particular.
    There's a guy in the UFC who's a Cuban Olympic wrestler and freak athlete. Incredible explosiveness. He changes speed so much and will lull guys in and once they think he's a certain speed, he explodes and catches guys with haymakers.

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    [QUOTE=frasd;1244316]
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    I was told a jab can be hard, fast, soft, range finder, stay busy, type action. It is the first thing a tired fighters forgets.
    Another thing regarding the jab you don't see much is changing up the speed to avoid getting timed. Being Canadian I am forced by law to watch hockey. I remember reading an article by an opponent of Wayne Gretzky saying that he would seem to be skating at a certain pace and as soon as you think you have him timed for a check or whatever he suddenly shifts gears one way or another before you even get there.


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    Hey man, I love hockey and Gretz used to do that quite often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frasd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    I was never coached to use the jab, straight, left hook. Do you escape left generally, turn and reset?
    Yes, all the great trainers insisted on it for that reason.

    That was one of the first real combinations other than a one-two that I was taught. And forced to practice it regularly. But that was 25 years ago.
    Yeah, we always did the combination on the mits but it was never really part of our match plan. I've always been tall for my class so our approach was jab heavy, one two, throwaway hooks and straight rights. Could have been because my left hook sucked too.

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    More of a concept but Switching stances... I really like the idea of changing lanes. Not this short sighted idea of keeping your opponent guessing but working on your opponents weaknesses where applicable. Won't work on a whim but there are plenty of scenarios where simply changing stances would be mostly beneficial.

    Its the same principle as keeping fighter on the backfoot, or making then chase you. That's just the x axis.

    If you can master the y axis then you're going to be at an advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus View Post
    More of a concept but Switching stances... I really like the idea of changing lanes. Not this short sighted idea of keeping your opponent guessing but working on your opponents weaknesses where applicable. Won't work on a whim but there are plenty of scenarios where simply changing stances would be mostly beneficial.

    Its the same principle as keeping fighter on the backfoot, or making then chase you. That's just the x axis.

    If you can master the y axis then you're going to be at an advantage.
    Some fighters just confuse themselves switch hitting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus View Post
    More of a concept but Switching stances... I really like the idea of changing lanes. Not this short sighted idea of keeping your opponent guessing but working on your opponents weaknesses where applicable. Won't work on a whim but there are plenty of scenarios where simply changing stances would be mostly beneficial.

    Its the same principle as keeping fighter on the backfoot, or making then chase you. That's just the x axis.

    If you can master the y axis then you're going to be at an advantage.
    Some fighters just confuse themselves switch hitting.
    Its because they do it for all the wrong reasons.
    Anyone who switches well out of range is just trying to fight the other way around to see if there are any gains for or against, or to put their opponent off their game or rhythm after losing ground themselves.You'd have to be a great ambidextrous fighter with deep understanding to do that at will and gain each time.

    If you switch in range without them first reacting you are going to leave one hell of a gap up the middle at one point in time mid switch and you are going to be square to them and can toppled backwards easily if they are sharp or if you try it twice. If they do a rare flying or leaping hook you are going to get caught square and probably down for a count you want to be able to cover that gap by range or control of them.

    If you switch feet and duck out of a situation where they are already attacking and moving in you can go from inside their arms to outside their lead arm while attacking over it with your new lead arm then under it with your rear as you close them up.that way is safe cause you are switching out away from their rear arm and dealing with their lead arm continually.

    Switching out from being trapped on the ropes is an old art too.Or pull them in toward you(so they react by pulling away) then you go with them,or the reverse where you push on them bodily they lean into you in reaction then you switch places with them using their momentum or cover up and slide your lead leg backwards crouch sit on the middle rope to give yourself room and switch feet and duck out under his lead arm and rip one up the inside as you are leaving.
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