Eddie Chambers explains why Wladimir Klitschko is an all-time great

**Silkeyjoe** · 05-09-2014 12:51 AM

This thread is comical. Cyclone is clearly just a racist retard. I don't know what the white man has done to him but I'd say he just blames white people for all his short comings.

**Max Power** · 05-09-2014 03:12 AM

Agree! Cyclone is scum!

Colour means very little in the ring. All punches hurt equally no matter the skin.

That's the great thing about boxing. It levels the playing field of all men!

**palmerq** · 05-09-2014 03:21 AM

i think we need to get back the original point of this thread which was wladimir explaining why eddie chambers is an all time great..

**p4pking** · 05-09-2014 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by palmerq

i think we need to get back the original point of this thread which was wladimir explaining why eddie chambers is an all time great..

Ask Max all about that

**Max Power** · 05-09-2014 03:38 AM

You meant the other way around..

Anyway why should we distrust Chamber's opinion?

There is good reason. By boosting Wlad he also boosts his own standing because he fought him.

But then Chamber's had a respectable career, knows boxing intimately and could very well be a good judge of such a thing.

This statement is very important, maybe Chambers, maybe not.. But..

"The ONLY reason the opponents of Wladimir Klitschko would not make it as "All Time Greats" is because they had the misfortune of existing in an era with a dominant champion who is just so unbelievably good at what he does, and wins all the time, that he left no chances for anybody else to really shine."

AND

"In an era which produced many "All Time Greats", those boxers may not have been REALLY that great because if they were then they would not have allowed many other boxers to shine so brightly!"

Lennox Lewis was an ATG. Mike Tyson was an ATG. Mike was firmly established only after another ATG (Holmes) was past it. Mike let no other fighter shine at the time he did his work to be established as an ATG. Buster beat him but was not an ATG and that began his slide. Enter Holyfield, another ATG. Holyfield's achievements which led to his ATG status did in fact overlap Lewis's. And a lot of that has to do with his CW career, his HW record is only 26-10!

Same as Vitali and Wladimir who are definitely ATG's, their reigns overlapping for obvious reasons too. This is typical.

1 ATG established in Mikes era,
2 in the 90's, early 00's
2 in the mid 00's to mid 10's.

There's nothing unusual about Wlad's opponents not making it to ATG status in the presence of dominant champs.

So I think Chambers is as good a judge of that as anybody!

**Silkeyjoe** · 05-09-2014 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Max Power

You meant the other way around..

Anyway why should we distrust Chamber's opinion?

There is good reason. By boosting Wlad he also boosts his own standing because he fought him.

But then Chamber's had a respectable career, knows boxing intimately and could very well be a good judge of such a thing.

This statement is very important, maybe Chambers, maybe not.. But..

"The ONLY reason the opponents of Wladimir Klitschko would not make it as "All Time Greats" is because they had the misfortune of existing in an era with a dominant champion who is just so unbelievably good at what he does, and wins all the time, that he left no chances for anybody else to really shine."

AND

"In an era which produced many "All Time Greats", those boxers may not have been REALLY that great because if they were then they would not have allowed many other boxers to shine so brightly!"

Lennox Lewis was an ATG. Mike Tyson was an ATG. Mike was firmly established only after another ATG (Holmes) was past it. Mike let no other fighter shine at the time he did his work to be established as an ATG. Buster beat him but was not an ATG and that began his slide. Enter Holyfield, another ATG. Holyfield's achievements which led to his ATG status did in fact overlap Lewis's. And a lot of that has to do with his CW career, his HW record is only 26-10!

Same as Vitali and Wladimir who are definitely ATG's, their reigns overlapping for obvious reasons too. This is typical.

1 ATG established in Mikes era,
2 in the 90's, early 00's
2 in the mid 00's to mid 10's.

There's nothing unusual about Wlad's opponents not making it to ATG status in the presence of dominant champs.

So I think Chambers is as good a judge of that as anybody!

Just to support Chambers being a good judge, he is been on the boxnation panel quite a lot recently and comes across very knowledgeable. I believe he would make will excellent pundit after his boxing career is finished.