Some PLEASE explain the Seth Mitchell experiment?

[Master]

It is not the first time it has been tried and it will not be the last time either.

How did Vaughan Bean ever get a title shot against Holyfield or Akinwande get a title?

It happens.

IHY... but Bean wasn't as hyped or as weak kneed or chinned. Mitchell clearly was. Bean also was a much better boxer... but Bean clearly was handed a shot he shouldn't have had.

Michael Moorer never beat a top 10 heavyweight until he faced a heart attack waiting to happen Holyfield.

[Silkeyjoe]

Whats the problem? He is better then hundreds of other pro boxers so why not him?

[ykdadamaja]

It is not the first time it has been tried and it will not be the last time either.

How did Vaughan Bean ever get a title shot against Holyfield or Akinwande get a title?

It happens.

IHY... but Bean wasn't as hyped or as weak kneed or chinned. Mitchell clearly was. Bean also was a much better boxer... but Bean clearly was handed a shot he shouldn't have had.

Michael Moorer never beat a top 10 heavyweight until he faced a heart attack waiting to happen Holyfield.

But Moorer was a dominant LH Champion... and unbeatable at LH. When Moorer was pouring it on at 175, it wasn't a matter of if he would turn the HW, but when?

[ruthless rocco]

People work jobs that they are shitty at all the time. We are surrounded by mediocrity everyday.

He wanted to make money and he made money. He wanted to be a boxer and he is a boxer.

Based on the majority of your posts @ykdadamaja I bet you suck at what you do too.

[ykdadamaja]

People work jobs that they are shitty at all the time. We are surrounded by mediocrity everyday.

He wanted to make money and he made money. He wanted to be a boxer and he is a boxer.

Based on the majority of your posts @ykdadamaja I bet you suck at what you do too.

But I admit that. I admit, quite readily, that I know jack-spit about my work... I honestly and truly know very little. A finance guy in a tech job. Go figure?!?!

Seth Mitchell, and his trainers/handlers, on the other hand, made us want to believe he was the second coming of Mike Tyson. He was not even the second coming of Bert Cooper- all due respect to Bert Cooper.

[Silkeyjoe]

People work jobs that they are shitty at all the time. We are surrounded by mediocrity everyday.

He wanted to make money and he made money. He wanted to be a boxer and he is a boxer.

Based on the majority of your posts @ykdadamaja I bet you suck at what you do too.

But I admit that. I admit, quite readily, that I know jack-spit about my work... I honestly and truly know very little. A finance guy in a tech job. Go figure?!?!

Seth Mitchell, and his trainers/handlers, on the other hand, made us want to believe he was the second coming of Mike Tyson. He was not even the second coming of Bert Cooper- all due respect to Bert Cooper.

So you try to tell ur boss or who pays you that you are shit at your job and they should higher someone else?

[walrus]

I found Mitchell suspect from the go. I was never impressed with him but a lot of people here spoke highly of him so I figured I might be missing something. I did feel bad when things fell apart for him as he seemed like a genuinely nice guy in interviews. God, his lack of chin was bad, I wonder if he is still recovering.

[Master]

Seth was no different to Michael Grant. It happens.

[ykdadamaja]

People work jobs that they are shitty at all the time. We are surrounded by mediocrity everyday.

He wanted to make money and he made money. He wanted to be a boxer and he is a boxer.

Based on the majority of your posts @ykdadamaja I bet you suck at what you do too.

But I admit that. I admit, quite readily, that I know jack-spit about my work... I honestly and truly know very little. A finance guy in a tech job. Go figure?!?!

Seth Mitchell, and his trainers/handlers, on the other hand, made us want to believe he was the second coming of Mike Tyson. He was not even the second coming of Bert Cooper- all due respect to Bert Cooper.

So you try to tell ur boss or who pays you that you are shit at your job and they should higher someone else?

Refreshingly, yes.... yes, I say that all the time. But they know and understand that it is a learning curve for now- and I didn't bullshit them.

It's "ok" to not know, or be incompetent at your job- you are less threatening.

[Spicoli]

It is not the first time it has been tried and it will not be the last time either.

How did Vaughan Bean ever get a title shot against Holyfield or Akinwande get a title?

It happens.

IHY... but Bean wasn't as hyped or as weak kneed or chinned. Mitchell clearly was. Bean also was a much better boxer... but Bean clearly was handed a shot he shouldn't have had.

Michael Moorer never beat a top 10 heavyweight until he faced a heart attack waiting to happen Holyfield.

But Moorer was a dominant LH Champion... and unbeatable at LH. When Moorer was pouring it on at 175, it wasn't a matter of if he would turn the HW, but when?

Moorer never really got his breakout at lt hvy. As long as they were determined to hang on to then laughable wbo trinket he wasn't getting close to another body or champ.

[Master]

It is not the first time it has been tried and it will not be the last time either.

How did Vaughan Bean ever get a title shot against Holyfield or Akinwande get a title?

It happens.

IHY... but Bean wasn't as hyped or as weak kneed or chinned. Mitchell clearly was. Bean also was a much better boxer... but Bean clearly was handed a shot he shouldn't have had.

Michael Moorer never beat a top 10 heavyweight until he faced a heart attack waiting to happen Holyfield.

But Moorer was a dominant LH Champion... and unbeatable at LH. When Moorer was pouring it on at 175, it wasn't a matter of if he would turn the HW, but when?

Moorer never really got his breakout at lt hvy. As long as they were determined to hang on to then laughable wbo trinket he wasn't getting close to another body or champ.

That was true Moorer did not fight the best light heavies.

[J_Undisputed]

Its everyone's fault and its nobody's fault. one look at the heavyweight landscape told the take. Two physically huge, but conditioned champs and a whole slew of overweight, flabby, slow, undersized, oversized, head case, lazy etc. challengers. Rather than trying to cycle one of those guys through multiple title challenges in a anemic roundabout in the heavyweight division then into a reclamation project in the gym, it seemed easier to roll the dice on someone who already was an athlete. Someone who was already accustomed to the training discipline and try to teach them how to box. Enter the Seth Mitchells, Michael Grants, Derrick Jeffersons, Jameel McCline's, Charles shufford's etc. (credit to Spicoli). These type of fighters get romanced on the idea of boxing while bombing out other no hopers and being fed encouraging words, positive press and promises of larger checks and title shots and belts. The hype train happily chugs along till it approaches the first hurdle of legitimacy. Those who never make that first hurdle are sometimes better off, a beat down, and a check probably large enough to erase some debt. With a return to football mostly out of the question, some quiet security jobs, sparring work, gatekeeper/stay busy fights (if your in luck, maybe a boxing movie needs extras) etc. will pay the bills without too much fuss and a shot at a eeking out a normal life.

For those guys that happened to fight an old dilapidated pro or trendy tomato can and start believing their own hype. Too far from a normal life. It could be a life long beating while living hand to mouth and having health issues and sometimes law issues that pepper a downward spiral. (see Cliff ettienne, cliff couser, Luis Manaco)

[ruthless rocco]

Someone please explain me this Vibram Five Fingers scam which grossed over $170 million in 2012 alone!

[El Kabong]

Uhhh he was a solid athlete, good collegiate football player, he couldn't hack it in the NFL so he started boxing late. A lot later than he should have.... good boxer considering how late he started.